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re: Natural immunity is more potent than vaccination alone -Facebook going to ban the CDC now?
Posted on 1/20/22 at 5:28 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
Posted on 1/20/22 at 5:28 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
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But it seems pretty silly to me to willingly want to get it without the vaccine first. Why not lessen the symptoms when you get it AND get the benefit of antibodies? Seems like best of both worlds
Iirc...from most protected to least it is:
Natural immunity first - then the jab
Natural immunity alone
Jab then get Covid (this made no sense to me)
Jab alone x 3
Jab alone x 2
J n J
Jab alone - one dose (Moderna and Pfizer)
Just a reminder, Dr. Catherine O’Neal said that prior immunity wasn’t worth a shite for Delta.
This post was edited on 1/20/22 at 5:30 pm
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Posted on 1/20/22 at 5:46 pm to USMCguy121
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This shite really opened my eyes as to how many double digit IQ bug eating NPC pod people are out there. You had mfers arguing against things (like natural immunity] that have been known for decades just because the media narrative changed that year. You have asshats on this very forum arguing for a vaccine that doesnt even protect past 6 months. You even had these absolute morons saying that if everyone got the vaccines, it would end. As if it didnt already make the jump to animals, as if the 3rd world could ever get 100% vaccinated. Pure idiocy. Depressing really.
Pure idiocy is not understanding that before modern medicine (read: vaccines), “natural immunity” was so ineffective that death by disease was a legitimate worry for everyone, all the time. Losing children to disease was a normal part of life. The “natural immunity” argument is espoused by those with double digit IQs, too little knowledge, and WAY too much confidence. Vaccination changed the world.
You, and a majority of the O-T, are a case study of the Dunning-Kruger effect.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 5:53 pm to reddy tiger
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But you’re still much more likely to die or be hospitalized if you’re unvaccinated. So there’s that.
No you aren't.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 5:54 pm to reddy tiger
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Vaccination changed the world.
Yes...the ones that worked.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 6:10 pm to loogaroo
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You, and a majority of the O-T, are a case study of the Dunning-Kruger effect.
And then right on cue to prove this point...
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But you’re still much more likely to die or be hospitalized if you’re unvaccinated. So there’s that.
No you aren't.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 7:41 pm to reddy tiger
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Pure idiocy is not understanding that before modern medicine (read: vaccines), “natural immunity” was so ineffective that death by disease was a legitimate worry for everyone, all the time. Losing children to disease was a normal part of life. The “natural immunity” argument is espoused by those with double digit IQs, too little knowledge, and WAY too much confidence. Vaccination changed the world.
We're talking about covid-19 here, remember? In your hurry to defend your talking points and precious shitty vaccine that loses efficacy after a mere 6 months, you are extrapolating those critical of it and the information campaign - to being anti-ALL-vaccines which is not the case.
Seriously, frick off with your disingenuous bullshite. You know exactly where I was going and yet you chose to defend something nobody in this thread challenged anyway.
This post was edited on 1/20/22 at 7:45 pm
Posted on 1/20/22 at 7:43 pm to Proximo
From the article:
So the order of protection vs what is apparently the most lethal variant of the virus (delta) from best to worst:
1. Vaccinated and previously infected
2. Previously infected but not vaccinated
3. Vaccinated but not previously infected
4. Neither vaccinated nor previously infected.
quote:
Protection against Delta was highest, however, among people who were both vaccinated and had survived a previous COVID infection, and lowest among those who had never been infected or vaccinated, the study found.
So the order of protection vs what is apparently the most lethal variant of the virus (delta) from best to worst:
1. Vaccinated and previously infected
2. Previously infected but not vaccinated
3. Vaccinated but not previously infected
4. Neither vaccinated nor previously infected.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 8:14 pm to USMCguy121
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We're talking about covid-19 here, remember? In your hurry to defend your talking points and precious shitty vaccine that loses efficacy after a mere 6 months, you are extrapolating those critical of it and the information campaign
You wanna talk "disingenuous"? Let's look at your suggestion that it "loses efficacy" at 6 months.
The efficacy for the original dosed DECLINED at 6 months and did not drop to zero, as you seem so eager to believe or imply. And even at 6 months you are way better off being vaccinated than not.
So we agree that being vaccinated is better than not being vaccinated, right?
Posted on 1/20/22 at 8:22 pm to Chucktown_Badger
You guys are a cult over this virus and these shots that don't work.
Why do you care what other people do? You got the shot, great for you.
Why do you care what other people do? You got the shot, great for you.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 8:26 pm to loogaroo
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You guys are a cult over this virus and these shots that don't work.
Why do you care what other people do? You got the shot, great for you.
The same could be said for people like you who continue to say they "don't work" despite a mountain of evidence, studies, and statistics that proves they do. I'm legitimately impressed how you're able to continue to believe something that is so obviously wrong
Literally everyone from Fox News to Donald Trump to you name it says the vaccines work and you should do it. But hey, drop a few links in here. I'd love to check them out.
Also, I don't give a shite if you get the shot. But that doesn't mean I won't tell you you're wrong. Because you are.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 8:27 pm to loogaroo
Here's the logical argument:
If you want to get vaccinated, and feel thats the best choice for you: DO IT
If you're not at risk, have natural immunity, and don't think the shot is good for you: DON'T GET IT
Problem is politicians forcing this on people, as if it's a once size fit all solution: it's not. Forcing this on people that don't want it is criminal. If everyone is vaxxed, it's not going to stop the spread or infections.
Vaxxers attacking people constantly that are unvaxxed, and taking their anxieties out on the pure bloods because they gobble up Brandon's fear porn need to F OFF. You do you, leave everyone else out of it.
If you want to get vaccinated, and feel thats the best choice for you: DO IT
If you're not at risk, have natural immunity, and don't think the shot is good for you: DON'T GET IT
Problem is politicians forcing this on people, as if it's a once size fit all solution: it's not. Forcing this on people that don't want it is criminal. If everyone is vaxxed, it's not going to stop the spread or infections.
Vaxxers attacking people constantly that are unvaxxed, and taking their anxieties out on the pure bloods because they gobble up Brandon's fear porn need to F OFF. You do you, leave everyone else out of it.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 8:30 pm to BayouBengalRubicon
I agree with you 100%
Posted on 1/20/22 at 8:37 pm to BayouBengalRubicon
Fitty
Posted on 1/20/22 at 8:47 pm to Proximo
1. You are a purveyor of fake news.
2. Nowhere in that article, and nowhere else I’m aware of, has the CDC said any such thing.
3. It’s been fairly obvious for a long time that natural immunity is better than vaccine immunity.
4. The science that was used to say the opposite came from testing vaccine immunity one month after the second dose when the antibodies were at a maximum. This was compared to natural immunity acquired a long time before.
5. Natural immunity is a crapshoot because it includes some people who tested positive but never had symptoms. Some of those people probably had false positives.
6. The article you linked was about another in a long line of studies that contradict the CDC. Pretty much everyone in the world, other than the CDC, believes natural immunity is as good or better than vaccine immunity.
2. Nowhere in that article, and nowhere else I’m aware of, has the CDC said any such thing.
3. It’s been fairly obvious for a long time that natural immunity is better than vaccine immunity.
4. The science that was used to say the opposite came from testing vaccine immunity one month after the second dose when the antibodies were at a maximum. This was compared to natural immunity acquired a long time before.
5. Natural immunity is a crapshoot because it includes some people who tested positive but never had symptoms. Some of those people probably had false positives.
6. The article you linked was about another in a long line of studies that contradict the CDC. Pretty much everyone in the world, other than the CDC, believes natural immunity is as good or better than vaccine immunity.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 8:56 pm to Proximo
Ah. So we’re at the point now where they try to move the goal posts back verrrry quietly and hope none of us are paying attention.
What’s next? Ivermectin actually works? We were right all along?
And sometimes souls can put Catherine O’Neal in her next press conference.
What’s next? Ivermectin actually works? We were right all along?
And sometimes souls can put Catherine O’Neal in her next press conference.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 9:39 pm to BluegrassBelle
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The issue has always been that for some people natural infection without some immunity from a vaccine could be extremely harmful. Close to half of Americans are obese and that is a major comorbidity that can cause issues if you’re building immunity through natural infection.
People need to remember that vaxes received during childhood had the live virus. Once the body develops antibodies and Tcells to combat the live virus the person does not get sick from that same virus in the future, and some of those vaccines last for life.
Whne a perosn gets the live covid-19 virus, their body develops antibodies and Tcells to combat this virus in the future once they recover from this virus.
Any medical person or "scientist" that tries to claim this is not true is knowingly lying. DO NOT TRUST ANYTHING THESE EPEOPLE SAY, IF THEY MAKE THIS CLAIM.
Science has proven that vaxes with a live virus are the best vaxes.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 9:45 pm to obdobd918
Got to quit worrying about vaccinations…they don’t work.
Worry about proper treatment if needed once positive.
Worry about proper treatment if needed once positive.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 9:52 pm to Proximo
What the frick do those of us that can’t catch this shite if we wanted do?
Posted on 1/20/22 at 9:55 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
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seems pretty silly to me to willingly want to get it without the vaccine first. Why not lessen the symptoms when you get
Seems pretty silly to me to assume you were going to get it in the first place. I finally got it with the omicough round and it wasn't shite. Still happy that I didn't get the vax.
Posted on 1/20/22 at 10:00 pm to lsupride87
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Omicron is looking like:
I don’t give a frick you are all getting infected, but I'm a pussy virus and basically won't do anything to you.
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