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re: NASA decision watch: abandon Starliner, use SpaceX in Feb

Posted on 8/24/24 at 10:46 am to
Posted by MikeBRLA
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2005
16897 posts
Posted on 8/24/24 at 10:46 am to
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1pm EST presser



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1pm EDT presser


Fixed it for you. We are on Daylight time now, not Standard
Posted by Sasquatch Smash
Member since Nov 2007
25386 posts
Posted on 8/24/24 at 10:53 am to
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1pm EST

Eastern Standard Time?

So, at 2pm EDT and 12pm CDT?
This post was edited on 8/24/24 at 11:22 am
Posted by TCO
Member since Jul 2022
3261 posts
Posted on 8/24/24 at 10:55 am to
NASA will contract Blue Origin for the rescue mission

Ok, I couldn’t say that with a straight face.
Posted by LSUneaux
New Orleans
Member since Mar 2014
4682 posts
Posted on 8/24/24 at 11:03 am to
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Fixed it for you. We are on Daylight time now, not Standard


Agreed. This is a first world pet peeve of mine that drives me crazy too. You’d think people would be screwing it up the other way by saying CDT yearround, since we are on Daylight time for like 8 months a year.
This post was edited on 8/24/24 at 11:06 am
Posted by lsusa
Doing Missionary work for LSU
Member since Oct 2005
6090 posts
Posted on 8/24/24 at 11:07 am to
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SpaceX never had crew in jeopardy lol




Posted by IT_Dawg
Georgia
Member since Oct 2012
24318 posts
Posted on 8/24/24 at 12:12 pm to
Shocking…NASA delayed
Posted by Psych23
Member since Aug 2024
731 posts
Posted on 8/24/24 at 12:13 pm to
Crew returning with SpaceX in February lol
Posted by LanierSpots
Sarasota, Florida
Member since Sep 2010
66432 posts
Posted on 8/24/24 at 12:14 pm to
Posted by wileyjones
Member since May 2014
2585 posts
Posted on 8/24/24 at 12:19 pm to
"Safety is our priority, so we'll be sending Boeing Starliner home uncrewed"
Posted by Gene Heinous
Houbuston
Member since Sep 2021
507 posts
Posted on 8/24/24 at 12:19 pm to
The test subjects are sentenced to another 6 months in captivity.

frick Boing! How many of their executives have been executed yet?
Posted by IT_Dawg
Georgia
Member since Oct 2012
24318 posts
Posted on 8/24/24 at 12:32 pm to
Yea, let’s try returning it home unmanned so it crashes on someone’s house cause they can’t control it

They need to burn that thing up in the atmosphere
Posted by roadkill
East Coast, FL
Member since Oct 2008
2026 posts
Posted on 8/24/24 at 12:36 pm to
Boeing to rename vehicle Starliner Max 8
Posted by POTUS2024
Member since Nov 2022
20943 posts
Posted on 8/24/24 at 12:40 pm to
With all that diversity at NASA, how could they not figure this out in record time?
Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
20044 posts
Posted on 8/24/24 at 12:49 pm to
Are these two Boeing employees or NASA astronauts? Talk about being pissed. 8 day mission turns into 8 month.
Posted by LSU316
Rice and Easy Baby!!!
Member since Nov 2007
29871 posts
Posted on 8/24/24 at 1:46 pm to
Gonna be a sell off of Boeing!!!
Posted by Pax Regis
Alabama
Member since Sep 2007
14317 posts
Posted on 8/24/24 at 2:07 pm to
If Boeing was a Japanese company someone would have to be sharpening their swords by now.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21418 posts
Posted on 8/24/24 at 2:26 pm to
This is just money laundering under the guise of space exploration at this point.

Normally I would say cancel Starliner immediately, but some companies are more equal than others.
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
11720 posts
Posted on 8/24/24 at 2:26 pm to
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Space X has crashed tons of rockets in the spirit of designing. Boeing hasn't crashed any yet, but doing so with people on board would be a terrible look.
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Just posted the 4 flights of the starliner below

Are we talking about rockets in general or crew vehicles? You can’t cite SpaceX crashing “tons of rockets” and then limit the discussion to Starliner, specifically, for Boeing.
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First, they are like 5 years late.

Irrelevant to what we are discussing... they are cost plus contractors, so they aren't losing money on this deal. A crash involving people would end that contract quickly.

It’s not irrelevant at all. The Crew Dragon and Starliner contracts were awarded at the same time. SpaceX completed their first crewed flight test and their first operational launch in 2020. Boeing’s crewed flight test got delayed until 2024 and then failed. And SpaceX did it at a 40% lower cost per seat (which may be an even bigger difference now, with all of the delays and issues from Boeing).

So yes - obviously a crash that lost astronauts would be catastrophic for Boeing’s space division. But this has still been a disaster for Boeing and failing to bring the vehicle back would make it even worse.

They may have recouped their development costs thus far but at some point they’re going to lose out on production if NASA punts.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
39147 posts
Posted on 8/24/24 at 3:35 pm to
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they are cost plus contractors, so they aren't losing money on this dea


This is a fixed price contract not a cost plus contract. Then and SpaceX signed identical contracts.

Last I read Boeing has lost over $1.5B and growing on this contract.

It’s to the point where one has to wonder if Boeing will walk away at some point. I think they are too prideful to do so… but at what point do they stop throwing money after this?? They clearly disagree with NASA here.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
39147 posts
Posted on 8/24/24 at 3:37 pm to
Right decision was made. No one trusts Boeing right now and we gave a functional backup plan.

This is not ideal for anyone including the two astronauts but this is the only responsible notion at this point.
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