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re: My next door neighbor is paralyzed from the hips down thanks to Ascension/St Thomas
Posted on 8/31/26 at 12:08 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 8/31/26 at 12:08 pm to SlowFlowPro
This was not an anesthesia issue. You can verify the drug before giving it but if the medication is labeled incorrectly there is no way to tell what's In the syringe. Most drugs besides propofol are clear.
This was a pharmacy issue.
This was a pharmacy issue.
Posted on 8/31/26 at 12:08 pm to chinhoyang
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My radiology oncologist is Chinese - he is a brilliant brain guy which is what I need.
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chinhoyang
Checks out.
Posted on 8/31/26 at 12:10 pm to Grasshopper
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This was not an anesthesia issue.
I didn't say it was. I said it was
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a pharmacy issue.
Posted on 8/31/26 at 12:14 pm to King of New Orleans
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Honest question: how fricked is that phamscy technician?
Plenty fricked, but the problem is more systemic. This tech should have never been able to do that. Risk management and safety is a cultural issue that starts at the top. It is up to an organization’s leadership to ensure state of the art safety practices are in place and that everyone down the line understands their importance.
Posted on 8/31/26 at 12:14 pm to SlowFlowPro
Sorry bro. I just hit reply on your post. I meant it for the general thread.
Posted on 8/31/26 at 12:22 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Overriding alone is scary, but having people with professional-graduate degrees, training, residencies, etc. be able to override them in certain scenarios makes sense
I'd even take it a step further and if it requires an override, the person that scanned it (regardless of their own qualifications) must find another party to come in and perform the override. And that person must have the proper professional-graduate degrees, training, residencies, etc. be able to override.
Posted on 8/31/26 at 12:25 pm to CAD703X
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drug dispensing technology has reached a point where you can't even sneak an apirin out of those systems without someone catching you.
how this happened at all still boggles my mind with that many safeguards around drug lockers.
The pharmacy tech should never have had the ability to bypass the system not authorizing their entry of the bar code scan.
This override authorization should have required a level above him Supervisor or the pharmacist to review and then allow an override of the system.
Posted on 8/31/26 at 12:45 pm to Grasshopper
The airline industry was one of the first to adopt the “Just Culture” standard of accountability. This has since been adopted by many healthcare systems. It is system where peers hold each other accountable and the “system” (administration) must ensure they supervise and correct weak links when the system is at fault and not the individual.
Why this means is???
Would a different individual with similar experience, competency, qualification and motivation act in the same manner, in a similar situation and environment as the person being evaluated? (Pharmacy tech)
If the answer is “Yes” the person who made the error is probably blameless; the problem is not the individual, but more likely the environment that would lead most individuals to that action. (A system failure because they overrode the block on a regular basis.)
If the answer is “No”, then system-induced reasons such as insufficient training, personnel selection and experience shall be evaluated. (Review of these processes for this specific individual compared to what normally happens in training versus what should be done in training.)
If trained properly and no one else overrides the system when faced with the same situation, then, it is more likely that the individual being evaluated is more culpable and accountable - a negligent behavior should be considered.
I worked in the Just Culture system at work. When used properly and supported by administration it is a great process.
Just culture is a significant contributing factor to the safety of the airline industry and why we don’t have planes falling out the sky or crashing more frequently.
Why this means is???
Would a different individual with similar experience, competency, qualification and motivation act in the same manner, in a similar situation and environment as the person being evaluated? (Pharmacy tech)
If the answer is “Yes” the person who made the error is probably blameless; the problem is not the individual, but more likely the environment that would lead most individuals to that action. (A system failure because they overrode the block on a regular basis.)
If the answer is “No”, then system-induced reasons such as insufficient training, personnel selection and experience shall be evaluated. (Review of these processes for this specific individual compared to what normally happens in training versus what should be done in training.)
If trained properly and no one else overrides the system when faced with the same situation, then, it is more likely that the individual being evaluated is more culpable and accountable - a negligent behavior should be considered.
I worked in the Just Culture system at work. When used properly and supported by administration it is a great process.
Just culture is a significant contributing factor to the safety of the airline industry and why we don’t have planes falling out the sky or crashing more frequently.
Posted on 8/31/26 at 12:55 pm to CAD703X
Condensed version for what happened... The pharmacy in the hospital screwed up on the medicine to inject into the patient with something critically dangerous. Probably some pharmacy tech updating her insta with her new butter face that she just got last Friday...
Posted on 8/31/26 at 12:56 pm to King of New Orleans
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Honest question: how fricked is that phamscy technician?
Surely a pharmacist has to sign off on anesthesia, right?
Posted on 8/31/26 at 12:57 pm to Weekend Warrior79
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I'd even take it a step further and if it requires an override, the person that scanned it (regardless of their own qualifications) must find another party to come in and perform the override. And that person must have the proper professional-graduate degrees, training, residencies, etc. be able to override.
Now you're thinking
Posted on 8/31/26 at 1:20 pm to SlowFlowPro
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The issue is the combination of these 2 things: 1. Pharmacy techs who don't have the most rigorous of training/certification 2. Permitting those in #1 to override the safety protocols
You would be surprised at the characters hired to as IV pharmacy techs. Have seen some that legit came from fast food.
Your smaller hospitals don't pay them any different than regular techs, so there is no incentive for working in a cleanroom. Nobody wants to be garbed up all day, so they usually get new hires or folks that are less qualified.
Posted on 8/31/26 at 1:40 pm to CAD703X
Didnt someone on here's wife die from knee surgery?
Posted on 8/31/26 at 1:41 pm to SloaneRanger
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This once respected Nashville hospital is now run by jeets. This was completely predictable.
Yep - all run by cheap foreign labor for India.
Posted on 8/31/26 at 2:05 pm to CAD703X
I’m a medical sales rep here in Nashville.
I only go to Vanderbilt the last few years. Sister was born St Thomas, but man-all time blunder.
Ascension hack a year ago and now this.
I only go to Vanderbilt the last few years. Sister was born St Thomas, but man-all time blunder.
Ascension hack a year ago and now this.
Posted on 8/31/26 at 2:14 pm to Jack Daniel
quote:This didn't have much to do with the doctor. Pharmacy tech and then pharmacist.
We’re in the results phase of the DEI practices are involved in medical school application process.
Posted on 8/31/26 at 2:52 pm to boxcarbarney
The unfortunate thing is they will be retired one day and we are stuck with foreigners and incompetents. Been to Ochsner?
Posted on 8/31/26 at 3:00 pm to CAD703X
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4. The Pharmacist Verification Failure
The hospital’s internal checks required rigorous oversight. However, the incorrect syringes managed to pass through three pharmacy technicians and one final verifying pharmacist without anyone noticing that the base compound inside the syringes was wrong.
What is the process here? Are there visual differences, were each supposed to tested somehow, or do they just verify that the medicine on label matches order and going to correct surgery? Pharm techs shouldn’t be allowed to override on their own in the first place, but this is where any overrides including by the pharmacist should be flagged on label for the override (or something the verifiers will see on their own) requiring additional verification steps.
Any chance the tech or anyone else involved is here on a work visa? Would a worker on a VISA for this type of position have isssues with English like these truck drivers have had?
Posted on 8/31/26 at 3:10 pm to CAD703X
Fun fact: if this happened in Louisiana, the most your neighbor could get for his pain and suffering is $500,000.
Posted on 8/31/26 at 4:01 pm to boosiebadazz
quote:Where is that in the law? I know the malpractice cap is $500k.
Fun fact: if this happened in Louisiana, the most your neighbor could get for his pain and suffering is $500,000.
This post was edited on 8/31/26 at 4:04 pm

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