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re: My next door neighbor is paralyzed from the hips down thanks to Ascension/St Thomas

Posted on 8/31/26 at 12:08 pm to
Posted by Grasshopper
Ocean Springs, MS
Member since Dec 2007
1140 posts
Posted on 8/31/26 at 12:08 pm to
This was not an anesthesia issue. You can verify the drug before giving it but if the medication is labeled incorrectly there is no way to tell what's In the syringe. Most drugs besides propofol are clear.


This was a pharmacy issue.
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
37869 posts
Posted on 8/31/26 at 12:08 pm to
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My radiology oncologist is Chinese - he is a brilliant brain guy which is what I need.


quote:

chinhoyang


Checks out.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
486596 posts
Posted on 8/31/26 at 12:10 pm to
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This was not an anesthesia issue.


I didn't say it was. I said it was

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a pharmacy issue.
Posted by SloaneRanger
Upper Hurstville
Member since Jan 2014
14858 posts
Posted on 8/31/26 at 12:14 pm to
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Honest question: how fricked is that phamscy technician?


Plenty fricked, but the problem is more systemic. This tech should have never been able to do that. Risk management and safety is a cultural issue that starts at the top. It is up to an organization’s leadership to ensure state of the art safety practices are in place and that everyone down the line understands their importance.
Posted by Grasshopper
Ocean Springs, MS
Member since Dec 2007
1140 posts
Posted on 8/31/26 at 12:14 pm to
Sorry bro. I just hit reply on your post. I meant it for the general thread.
Posted by Weekend Warrior79
Member since Aug 2014
22577 posts
Posted on 8/31/26 at 12:22 pm to
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Overriding alone is scary, but having people with professional-graduate degrees, training, residencies, etc. be able to override them in certain scenarios makes sense

I'd even take it a step further and if it requires an override, the person that scanned it (regardless of their own qualifications) must find another party to come in and perform the override. And that person must have the proper professional-graduate degrees, training, residencies, etc. be able to override.
Posted by zuluboudreaux
God’s country USA
Member since Jan 2008
1274 posts
Posted on 8/31/26 at 12:25 pm to
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drug dispensing technology has reached a point where you can't even sneak an apirin out of those systems without someone catching you.

how this happened at all still boggles my mind with that many safeguards around drug lockers.


The pharmacy tech should never have had the ability to bypass the system not authorizing their entry of the bar code scan.
This override authorization should have required a level above him Supervisor or the pharmacist to review and then allow an override of the system.
Posted by zuluboudreaux
God’s country USA
Member since Jan 2008
1274 posts
Posted on 8/31/26 at 12:45 pm to
The airline industry was one of the first to adopt the “Just Culture” standard of accountability. This has since been adopted by many healthcare systems. It is system where peers hold each other accountable and the “system” (administration) must ensure they supervise and correct weak links when the system is at fault and not the individual.

Why this means is???
Would a different individual with similar experience, competency, qualification and motivation act in the same manner, in a similar situation and environment as the person being evaluated? (Pharmacy tech)

If the answer is “Yes” the person who made the error is probably blameless; the problem is not the individual, but more likely the environment that would lead most individuals to that action. (A system failure because they overrode the block on a regular basis.)

If the answer is “No”, then system-induced reasons such as insufficient training, personnel selection and experience shall be evaluated. (Review of these processes for this specific individual compared to what normally happens in training versus what should be done in training.)

If trained properly and no one else overrides the system when faced with the same situation, then, it is more likely that the individual being evaluated is more culpable and accountable - a negligent behavior should be considered.

I worked in the Just Culture system at work. When used properly and supported by administration it is a great process.
Just culture is a significant contributing factor to the safety of the airline industry and why we don’t have planes falling out the sky or crashing more frequently.
Posted by jasonbr1975
Lafayette, LA
Member since Sep 2024
2872 posts
Posted on 8/31/26 at 12:55 pm to
Condensed version for what happened... The pharmacy in the hospital screwed up on the medicine to inject into the patient with something critically dangerous. Probably some pharmacy tech updating her insta with her new butter face that she just got last Friday...
Posted by FliesByNight
Whale, wail, well
Member since Apr 2026
607 posts
Posted on 8/31/26 at 12:56 pm to
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Honest question: how fricked is that phamscy technician?


Surely a pharmacist has to sign off on anesthesia, right?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
486596 posts
Posted on 8/31/26 at 12:57 pm to
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I'd even take it a step further and if it requires an override, the person that scanned it (regardless of their own qualifications) must find another party to come in and perform the override. And that person must have the proper professional-graduate degrees, training, residencies, etc. be able to override.


Now you're thinking
Posted by WaydownSouth
Stratton Oakmont
Member since Nov 2018
11525 posts
Posted on 8/31/26 at 1:20 pm to
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The issue is the combination of these 2 things: 1. Pharmacy techs who don't have the most rigorous of training/certification 2. Permitting those in #1 to override the safety protocols


You would be surprised at the characters hired to as IV pharmacy techs. Have seen some that legit came from fast food.

Your smaller hospitals don't pay them any different than regular techs, so there is no incentive for working in a cleanroom. Nobody wants to be garbed up all day, so they usually get new hires or folks that are less qualified.

Posted by tiggerthetooth
Big Momma's House
Member since Oct 2010
64843 posts
Posted on 8/31/26 at 1:40 pm to
Didnt someone on here's wife die from knee surgery?
Posted by tiggerthetooth
Big Momma's House
Member since Oct 2010
64843 posts
Posted on 8/31/26 at 1:41 pm to
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This once respected Nashville hospital is now run by jeets. This was completely predictable.


Yep - all run by cheap foreign labor for India.
Posted by Arthur Bach
Member since Jul 2016
3524 posts
Posted on 8/31/26 at 2:05 pm to
I’m a medical sales rep here in Nashville.

I only go to Vanderbilt the last few years. Sister was born St Thomas, but man-all time blunder.

Ascension hack a year ago and now this.
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
81989 posts
Posted on 8/31/26 at 2:14 pm to
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We’re in the results phase of the DEI practices are involved in medical school application process.
This didn't have much to do with the doctor. Pharmacy tech and then pharmacist.
Posted by Dixie2023
Member since Mar 2023
5885 posts
Posted on 8/31/26 at 2:52 pm to
The unfortunate thing is they will be retired one day and we are stuck with foreigners and incompetents. Been to Ochsner?
Posted by dallastigers
Member since Dec 2003
11249 posts
Posted on 8/31/26 at 3:00 pm to
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4. The Pharmacist Verification Failure
The hospital’s internal checks required rigorous oversight. However, the incorrect syringes managed to pass through three pharmacy technicians and one final verifying pharmacist without anyone noticing that the base compound inside the syringes was wrong.


What is the process here? Are there visual differences, were each supposed to tested somehow, or do they just verify that the medicine on label matches order and going to correct surgery? Pharm techs shouldn’t be allowed to override on their own in the first place, but this is where any overrides including by the pharmacist should be flagged on label for the override (or something the verifiers will see on their own) requiring additional verification steps.

Any chance the tech or anyone else involved is here on a work visa? Would a worker on a VISA for this type of position have isssues with English like these truck drivers have had?
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
86945 posts
Posted on 8/31/26 at 3:10 pm to
Fun fact: if this happened in Louisiana, the most your neighbor could get for his pain and suffering is $500,000.
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
81989 posts
Posted on 8/31/26 at 4:01 pm to
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Fun fact: if this happened in Louisiana, the most your neighbor could get for his pain and suffering is $500,000.
Where is that in the law? I know the malpractice cap is $500k.
This post was edited on 8/31/26 at 4:04 pm
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