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re: Musk Bans Remote Work In First Email To Twitter Staff As The "Road Ahead Is Arduous"
Posted on 11/10/22 at 9:21 am to stout
Posted on 11/10/22 at 9:21 am to stout
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The new rules were enacted immediately, requiring employees to be in the office for at least 40 hours per week.
What a waste of time and resources. Drive up operating costs, utilities, etc for a bunch of computer people to not speak and sit the computer all day.
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Posted on 11/10/22 at 9:26 am to SlackMaster
Indians, red dot, can code from offshore. No reason to pay millennials outrageous salaries to frick around from home. They can go to work in coal mines so the NE doesn't freeze to death this winter.
Posted on 11/10/22 at 9:30 am to GRTiger
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This is huge and a significant issue, but I imagine on this board their is no sympathy for the employer, even ones that are hurting due to WFH turnover and general disinterest in the work.
I've worked both remote and in office, and it's never once crossed my mind to stay at a certain job because I liked my co-workers when I've been presented with a better opportunity.
You would really think, "well, I have this job offer that has more responsibility, more flexibility, and pays more, but I really like my current co-workers, so I'm gonna go ahead and pass on that"?
Posted on 11/10/22 at 9:33 am to yaboidarrell
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Tech layoffs are overblown.
Disagree though it depends on what you mean by tech, it’s certainly broad.
I manage risk for a portfolio of loans to tech businesses. Now these are middle market names not the big guys but anything who directly depends on ad dollars or provides services to any who depends on ad dollars is in the process of executing on a cost reduction plan.
Anyone tied to consumer finance and insurance is also entering slash mode.
Fintech is generally ok, for now.
The Q3 numbers are coming in as we speak and they are bad.
EDIT: not to mention that the rising rate environment and disjointed debt markets has a lot of VC and PE shops on the sidelines which is a crusher on tech startups.
This post was edited on 11/10/22 at 9:40 am
Posted on 11/10/22 at 9:34 am to stout
A work from office mandate is like shooting himself in the foot.
I like being the office more than home, personally, but the ship has sailed. Talent is scattered to the four corners now.
I like being the office more than home, personally, but the ship has sailed. Talent is scattered to the four corners now.
Posted on 11/10/22 at 9:42 am to Epic Cajun
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I've worked both remote and in office, and it's never once crossed my mind to stay at a certain job because I liked my co-workers when I've been presented with a better opportunity.
You would really think, "well, I have this job offer that has more responsibility, more flexibility, and pays more, but I really like my current co-workers, so I'm gonna go ahead and pass on that"?
I appreciate your personal experience, even with the classic hint of "you really think" followed by the most extreme example you can think of.
People are leaving jobs for new ones that are not better in every way as your example establishes. It's 100% fact that retention is easier when employees are engaged and feel connected to their employer. Whether that's working in an office or just being around coworkers in various settings, thousands of companies that went WFH are currently balancing that issue against the issue with bringing people back to the office.
Posted on 11/10/22 at 9:50 am to GetCocky11
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zero reason for a tech worker to have to be at a desk in an office. This move is so the 8 different bosses can hassle Peter Gibbons about the cover sheet on his TPS Reports.
Or maybe- just maybe- it’s because the boss wants it that way.
It’s good to be the boss.
Posted on 11/10/22 at 10:05 am to stout
quote:Not a fan of no remote work, but he's the boss, boss makes the decisions.
Musk Bans Remote Work In First Email To Twitter Staff
That's just how it goes. There are other jobs with remote work if those folks don't like it.
Posted on 11/10/22 at 10:09 am to BoogaBear
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That's a very general statement. People think IT and instantly think about dudes just cranking out code for some application or website. I agree there, however the data side of things are much harder to replace.
Well, if I am ranking
Architect - This is like god level, if you have a good one. They toss out architect titles left and right in IT, but I am talking a true one that understands the whole stack. Understands the vision of what is being achieved down to the network latency and IO bottlenecks
Network - These people have really shot up in value, especially from pandemic work from anywhere. Transmission throughput is key, along with stable, scalable paths.
Cloud Engineer - Whether AWS, Azure, whatever cloud world - Someone has to understand how to create all the virtual things and piece it all together. While it is mostly point and click work, the knowledge it takes to know to keep it all running and setup is key. The various VM/NIC/storage/etc. is a lot yo track and troublshoot
Data - This one may get debated, however in the end everything you are doing is reading and writing data. I am not talking about a simple database administrator, more a data architect and modeler. Distribution of data for speed, high availability and continuity.
Developer - This level is probably the highest overall salary, but the easiest to replace. Coding languages, although time consuming to learn, have become extremely simplified. Low level languages are basically gone and even high level languages are being further simplified. Today's developers are really just producing what they are told, very little creativity or abstract thought needed
Systems - How the mighty have fallen. Your hardware team was once the life of the server room and your company. Most of the good ones are transitioning to cloud work, however they are becoming dinosaurs. That complex work of racking and cabling, or how to physically stripe your data on the SAN for most IO throughput is gone with the black box that it the Cloud.
Posted on 11/10/22 at 10:18 am to DarthRebel
That's a pretty good rundown in IT. If you haven't transitioned from systems, you very expendable in today's IT. I know this cause we just did this. I work for a large RR on the east coast and they got rid of all of the systems techs. Hired offshore workers for that.
Posted on 11/10/22 at 10:25 am to stout
After EM called Tesla employees back into the office, this doesn't surprise me.
Posted on 11/10/22 at 10:28 am to DarthRebel
Where do the consultants fit in all of this?
Asking for a friend
Asking for a friend
Posted on 11/10/22 at 10:30 am to Joshjrn
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Elite workers in tech aren't really used to being micromanaged. It will be interesting to watch.
I have a family member who is a long-term manager at Microsoft. Some of his team is in Seattle. Some in California. His co-manager is in London, and he is in France. Only a couple of them work at the Campus in Redmond.
Being "in the office" isn't as important for engineers who work in that field. The internet is their office.
What Musk is trying to do will be very difficult. Good luck to him.
Posted on 11/10/22 at 10:44 am to JinFL
quote:Forgot the most omnipotent IT person of them all.
That's a pretty good rundown in IT.
A member of Chicken's Admin Team
Posted on 11/10/22 at 10:58 am to GRTiger
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People are leaving jobs for new ones that are not better in every way as your example establishes. It's 100% fact that retention is easier when employees are engaged and feel connected to their employer. Whether that's working in an office or just being around coworkers in various settings, thousands of companies that went WFH are currently balancing that issue against the issue with bringing people back to the office.
Retention was easier when you weren't competing with companies across the country, who allow employees to work remotely.
Engagement and connection are not going to outweigh money and flexibility.
When people leave my company, the number one reason is money (we already offer great flexibility). I assume this is true for most companies in today's environment.
Posted on 11/10/22 at 11:44 am to stout
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Tech layoffs are coming fast and furious. Facebook added 11K yesterday and it's only going to get worse before it gets better. I doubt any workers are going to be looking to quit over being micro-managed.
Yep reality is setting in for a lot of employees. It’s no longer an employee market. Employers have it now unfortunately
Posted on 11/10/22 at 11:55 am to Joshjrn
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I'll be curious to see if he can navigate this transitional period. Elite workers in tech aren't really used to being micromanaged. It will be interesting to watch.
Bingo. Sotfware developer nerds have been working remotely long before Covid came along.
Posted on 11/10/22 at 12:00 pm to GetCocky11
quote:Wut?
Boomers everywhere are rejoicing.
I love WFH. The only reason I come in once a week is some of the 30-ish folks on my team want to. And I'm a manager so I must support company culture.
ALL the older folks like me on my teams refuse to come in. We have a lunch video meeting (optional) so they can join in the fun.
Posted on 11/10/22 at 12:36 pm to H2O Tiger
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Where do the consultants fit in all of this?
The fill in whatever service they are providing
Your consulting firms will bring in Top level to grunt workers.
We did some work with an outside firm for on-prem to cloud migration for an acquired company. They provided us a Top level migration architect and cloud engineer. In house Network/Data/Systems handled verification, 3rd party Engineer executed migration. Architect made sure it worked.
Posted on 11/10/22 at 12:44 pm to Epic Cajun
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Engagement and connection are not going to outweigh money and flexibility.
Oh absolutely, but engagement helps prevent people from looking.
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