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re: Musk Bans Remote Work In First Email To Twitter Staff As The "Road Ahead Is Arduous"
Posted on 11/10/22 at 12:45 pm to DarthRebel
Posted on 11/10/22 at 12:45 pm to DarthRebel
That was a joke. I’m the consultant
Posted on 11/10/22 at 12:46 pm to mikelbr
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Sotfware developer nerds have been working remotely long before Covid came along.
Yeah, in India and South East Asia
From a development standpoint, there is zero reason to pay US wages. Why would you pay $180,000 for at work from home developer in the USA, when you can the same from across the Pacific for $50,000.
Most of the "talent" being paid here in the states was from Tech companies simply having too much money to even care. When fiscally responsible people start taking charge, that will change. Profit margins about to go boom!!!
Posted on 11/10/22 at 12:48 pm to DarthRebel
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Why would you pay $180,000 for at work from home developer in the USA, when you can the same from across the Pacific for $50,000.
Ability
Posted on 11/10/22 at 12:48 pm to H2O Tiger
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That was a joke. I’m the consultant
Well poop :)
Posted on 11/10/22 at 1:32 pm to fightin tigers
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Ability
This tells me you do not understand the current development world.
Now I will give you for high end development, US/Euro developers are going to excel here. I am talking advanced development of highly proprietary advanced projects. System/Enterprise level type of software, and I would also lump in game development.
Once that is released, future enhancements can be achieved with much cheaper resources. You are almost getting to the simple 80/20 rule. Maybe you need 20% of the dev team to have "ability", the other 80% just need to churn out code.
The programming languages have become so abstracted from low level, that you can watch some youtube videos and download their free tools (which ever language) and be good to go in a couple weeks. There is such an abundance of code examples on the Internet, you can do a search take example and just tweak a few items.
Once you go outside the innovative tech companies, it really falls off a cliff for the need of "ability".
You have to also account for population numbers. There are more developers that meet your "ability" metric in India alone, than the USA.
Anyone going into IT, I would steer them away from development and hardware. Cloud and Network man.
"Learn to Code" is seriously pretty dumb. Those people are not paying attention to where it is all going.
Posted on 11/10/22 at 1:41 pm to Cajunhawk81
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He's doing the Lord's work.
No question about it. Buying and restructuring a social media company is pretty much the second coming of Mother Teresa.
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I do, however, report the majority of posts as "Hate"...because that's what Reddit is
You report people's post as hate? Did they ban you for being a bitch?
Posted on 11/10/22 at 1:58 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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They said it was literally impossible to create a new car company much less an electric car company. They said the car manufacturers were too large and the barriers too great.
What’s funny is this very board held and continued to hold this very position until like 6 months ago when elon started sticking it to the libs.
Posted on 11/10/22 at 2:01 pm to Joshjrn
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Elite workers in tech aren't really used to being micromanaged
There are maybe a handful of people at Twitter that you could consider "Elite tech".
Posted on 11/10/22 at 2:05 pm to DarthRebel
Where do Computer Systems Analysts, Business Analysts, Business Intelligence, folks fall? Are you including IS in your IT umbrella?
Posted on 11/10/22 at 2:14 pm to DarthRebel
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Why would you pay $180,000 for at work from home developer in the USA, when you can the same from across the Pacific for $50,000.
Have you worked with those overseas developers? You have to hold their fricking hands and by the time they get it they are working somewhere else.
Posted on 11/10/22 at 2:22 pm to Joshjrn
Expecting people to work in the office is not micromanaging.
Trying to identify bots and illegitimate accounts is not micromanaging.
It’s time to get back to work.
Trying to identify bots and illegitimate accounts is not micromanaging.
It’s time to get back to work.
Posted on 11/10/22 at 3:07 pm to Deplorableinohio
quote:THIS.
Have you worked with those overseas developers? You have to hold their fricking hands and by the time they get it they are working somewhere else.
I've been a Tech mgr for 25 years and involved w outsourcing / offshore for 20. You utilize offshore for low value stuff (support, tacticals, etc.). Those guys:
- don't communicate/collaborate worth a shite
- don't know business process at all
- give up when they hit any obstacles
- defect rates are higher
- and just when you've spent the last 6 months ramping them up, they move on or get pulled.
And that's why you give them low value tasks.
It's always been this way. If there's a corp initiative that must get done ASAP, Exec mgmt will demand corp not outsource resources are leading and performing.
Posted on 11/10/22 at 3:09 pm to Deplorableinohio
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Expecting people to work in the office is not micromanaging.
In the tech world, expecting people to work in an office is going to put you at a disadvantage as a company.
Posted on 11/10/22 at 3:42 pm to stout
Idk productivity can be tracked for most office
Jobs.
Very few companies have found productivity going down. I worked For a national insurance
Company and they ended all their office leases and send everyone extra monitors.
Jobs.
Very few companies have found productivity going down. I worked For a national insurance
Company and they ended all their office leases and send everyone extra monitors.
Posted on 11/10/22 at 3:45 pm to eatpie
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He's forthcoming and surprisingly specific with his words, answering honestly and unambiguously.
You’ve never listened to Elon have you lol.
Guy is probably the worst offender in silicon valley regarding unfulfilled promises or timelines
Posted on 11/10/22 at 4:14 pm to stout
Talked on the phone to one of Tesla’s employees at lunch regarding a Powerwall. He said he works remotely from Vegas.
Posted on 11/10/22 at 4:16 pm to JohnnyKilroy
quote:the laundry list would make Elizabeth Holmes blush
Guy is probably the worst offender in silicon valley regarding unfulfilled promises or timelines
Posted on 11/10/22 at 4:25 pm to Joshjrn
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I'll be curious to see if he can navigate this transitional period. Elite workers in tech aren't really used to being micromanaged. It will be interesting to watch.
Unfortunately for them all of big tech is or will by having workforce reductions and those jobs will not be coming back, guess they shoulda learned to roughneck.
Posted on 11/10/22 at 4:31 pm to OysterPoBoy
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Literally Hitler.
What a stupid comment. These employees have a choice.
Posted on 11/10/22 at 4:36 pm to stout
By all accounts Musk fired/laid off the wrong people. He cut entire teams of workers who knew the ends and outs of the program. Twitter may seem pretty basic to the average person but it's a complex ecosystem. People in the know said this would happen. It's going to have all kinds of technical problems and may eventually become unusable.
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