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re: Mom Kicked Out of Rockettes at Radio City Due to Facial Recognition

Posted on 12/21/22 at 7:46 am to
Posted by Tvilletiger
PVB
Member since Oct 2015
5875 posts
Posted on 12/21/22 at 7:46 am to
In a way we have always done similar things. This is just a more advanced way of doing the same thing.
For example The first was things like a wanted poster at a US post office.
Posted by wheelr
Banned
Member since Jul 2012
5850 posts
Posted on 12/21/22 at 7:47 am to
Most people tangentially support this rise of privacy invasion. "I have nothing to hide."

Well this is what happens. What next?
Posted by Fat and Happy
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2013
19467 posts
Posted on 12/21/22 at 7:54 am to
Gotta love the ability to police good citizens with facial recognition
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
36650 posts
Posted on 12/21/22 at 7:56 am to
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Tell me how to stop this problem without expanding governmental power, which would be fascism itself.

Also, regulating businesses is a progressives wet dream, so your example is both fascist AND progressive.

Good job. Good effort.


yea i absolutely despise this kind of tech and in general cameras everywhere etc


but they are a private business and I hate the thought of regulating those and giving governement anymore power much much much more than a private business using this kind of tech.

have to ask yourself...whats more likely to be abused...a private business that must turn a profit using this or the government that can pretty much do what it wants using this to punish political oppenents.
Posted by Toroballistic
Tallahassee
Member since Dec 2017
2144 posts
Posted on 12/21/22 at 8:00 am to
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But is it an invasion of privacy?


Yep, specifically mine and my family’s.



You have an expectation of privacy in a public place?
Posted by Henry Jones Jr
Member since Jun 2011
75756 posts
Posted on 12/21/22 at 8:04 am to
I get her frustration but I also understand where Radio City is coming from. If you work for a business that is in litigation against us, yeah you can frick off. Whether you claim you’re directly involved or not
Posted by WildBillJR
Member since Nov 2017
67 posts
Posted on 12/21/22 at 8:09 am to
I think this is a perfectly reasonable action by Radio City. I don’t want a plaintiff attorney that is suing me in my house or business so why should they allow her in.
Posted by bountyhunter
North of Houston a bit
Member since Mar 2012
7032 posts
Posted on 12/21/22 at 8:21 am to
There is no recourse for privacy violations under the 4th amendment; however, not allowing a paid customer the ability to use the service for some asinine, tangential reason does make them responsible for refunding the ticket cost. You could also make the case for pain and suffering from undue consequences of having to miss the event with your family.

This is a good example of how facial recognition software can be (and will likely be) used in the future. Think Minority Report and the market of cosmetic alterations to dodge those systems.

One thing I will point out with this software. It is extremely unreliable on people with beards. So in China its doing remarkably well for cultural and political reasons. In America courts are going to be loaded with cases of false identification lawsuits against private and public entities.
This post was edited on 12/21/22 at 8:27 am
Posted by wickowick
Head of Island
Member since Dec 2006
46269 posts
Posted on 12/21/22 at 8:32 am to
This is a very slippery slope that we are just starting to slide on
Posted by Woodlands Tigah
Tejas
Member since Mar 2021
995 posts
Posted on 12/21/22 at 8:35 am to
Four pages and no picture, Y'all are slacking.



Dewy, Cheatem and Howe
Posted by tigerinthebueche
Member since Oct 2010
37722 posts
Posted on 12/21/22 at 8:35 am to
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Casinos have been using this technology for at least a decade. This doesn't include law enforcement uses, but it was developed within the private sector
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so as long as it wasn't developed in a government lab or the military, I guess its alright.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
36650 posts
Posted on 12/21/22 at 8:35 am to
quote:

There is no recourse for privacy violations under the 4th amendment; however, not allowing a paid customer the ability to use the service for some asinine, tangential reason does make them responsible for refunding the ticket cost. You could also make the case for pain and suffering from undue consequences of having to miss the event with your family.


its a private business, they warned the law firm, its a policy written out on their site and on the ticket T&Cs.

have no case


shite is scary but she has no case
Posted by tigerinthebueche
Member since Oct 2010
37722 posts
Posted on 12/21/22 at 8:37 am to
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That technology is awesome. I have nothing to hide. Plus, the country has become the wild west with all the guns, mass shootings, terrorists and thieves these days. It's unfortunate but it's needed in todays society.



this mindset is a bigger threat to today's society than anything you listed in your post.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465837 posts
Posted on 12/21/22 at 8:40 am to
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so as long as it wasn't developed in a government lab or the military, I guess its alright.

The question is what you want to do about it, and how does that conform to your stated political preferences?
Posted by Woodlands Tigah
Tejas
Member since Mar 2021
995 posts
Posted on 12/21/22 at 8:43 am to
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The question is what you want to do about it,


I want to reduce government regulation by having the government regulate the use of Facial Recognition Tech employed by private entities!

This post was edited on 12/21/22 at 8:44 am
Posted by AwesomeSauce
Das Boot
Member since May 2015
11168 posts
Posted on 12/21/22 at 8:45 am to
quote:

That technology is awesome. I have nothing to hide. Plus, the country has become the wild west with all the guns, mass shootings, terrorists and thieves these days. It's unfortunate but it's needed in todays society.


Right... So how long before it gets called racist because the facial recognition struggles with detail in individuals with more melanin? I'm sure we absolutely won't see this as being labeled as racist and a form of the "systematic racism" being employed by the rich powerful cis white male to hold down other races.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465837 posts
Posted on 12/21/22 at 8:45 am to
quote:

I want to reduce government regulation by having the government regulate the use of Facial Recognition Tech employed by private entities!


I'm a limited government conservative
Posted by Dawgfanman
Member since Jun 2015
25881 posts
Posted on 12/21/22 at 8:56 am to
Wait until people realize the software can use facial cues, body language, etc to make educated guesses as to people having bad intentions…so they are more scrutinized and/or followed while onsite.
Posted by LaLadyinTx
Cypress, TX
Member since Nov 2018
7123 posts
Posted on 12/21/22 at 8:56 am to
quote:

This is just a more advanced way of doing the same thing.
For example The first was things like a wanted poster at a US post office.


Nope! Big difference between being wanted for a crime and working for a company handling a lawsuit for someone in which you have no contact with the case. In fact, I'd say it wouldn't even matter if they did work on the case.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465837 posts
Posted on 12/21/22 at 8:59 am to
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In fact, I'd say it wouldn't even matter if they did work on the case.

If you handle civil litigation as an attorney and routinely go to businesses that you're actively suing then you're going to run into some problems very quickly. This isn't like being a public defender where you are forced to take cases. Part of the calculus that comes into play when you decide what cases you want to take are these sorts of effects.
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