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re: Mississippi has the top 4th and 8th grade test scores in the nation
Posted on 4/8/25 at 9:59 am to RaoulDuke504
Posted on 4/8/25 at 9:59 am to RaoulDuke504
How DAFUK is Louisiana #2?
Posted on 4/8/25 at 9:59 am to VABuckeye
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The blue line tells the true tale.
Louisiana's blue line is higher than California's!!!! California has more trillion dollar plus market cap companies than the rest of the world combined does.
Posted on 4/8/25 at 10:02 am to RaoulDuke504
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Mississippi has the top 4th and 8th grade test scores in the nation
Yeah, if you manipulate the data. LOL
Posted on 4/8/25 at 10:03 am to Locoguan0
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Here is your best explanation of why you need "adjusted" scores. Article
Does Reason realize how racist this article could be construed? Data isn’t racist, but man there could be some seriously racist outcomes derived from this article.
Posted on 4/8/25 at 11:11 am to Swagga
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So Mississippi and Louisiana are 1 & 2 in adjusted? What does adjusted mean in laymen terms?
I would imagine that it is compared to the norm.
Both states have focused on reading. Imho, it shows.
These results are positive (even if the manner in which presented is “odd”).
Posted on 4/8/25 at 11:39 am to VABuckeye
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So, a bunch of free points. The blue line tells the true tale.
Right. And they are still above Texas and us on the unadjusted scores.
Posted on 4/8/25 at 11:43 am to oleyeller
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Just because scores are high, dont mean kids are actually learning shite
I agree with your post but at least they're learning to read. That's the first building block. We used to frick with kids in Middle School on the football/basketball bus because they couldn't read the billboards on the side of the road. They weren't embarrassed the least bit so long as you weren't in ear shot of a girl.

Posted on 4/8/25 at 11:45 am to RaoulDuke504
"demographically adjusted"= we are not counting the scores from the Delta
Posted on 4/8/25 at 11:48 am to Tigerstark
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So they spot Mississippi a bunch of extra points for being stupid and then say hey, Mississippi is number 1? Study must have been done by people in Mississippi.
If this is the way you read the charts then we need to spot you a lot of extra points!
With unadjusted scores MS is still ahead of the following:
Alabama
Louisiana
Texas
Missouri
Maine
West Virginia
Nevada
New York
South Carolina
California
New Mexico
Oklahoma
Maryland
Michigan
Delaware
Alaska
Oregon
For a state that historically ranks last or second to last in education, this is evidence that the policies implemented in 2012 are working.
Posted on 4/8/25 at 12:10 pm to Lawyered
Adjustment don’t appear to be official.
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The startling adjustments to the 2024 NAEP were produced by the left-leaning Urban Institute, which has long applied statistical controls to scores in an attempt to develop a more precise understanding of how well schools are teaching children.
At the heart of the effort is an acknowledgment that student demographics are not evenly sorted across state borders. Black students live in disproportionate numbers across the Deep South, while English language learners are much more likely to be found near the Mexican border. Perhaps most prominently, rates of child poverty are much worse below the Mason-Dixon line than above. Higher or lower concentrations of these student groups, which have all historically posted lower NAEP scores, can heavily sway states’ performance in ways that may not accurately represent the quality of their schools and teachers, said Matthew Chingos, Urban’s vice president for education.
Adjusting for demographic traits produces “more of an apples-to-apples comparison” between different parts of the country, he added.
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…“If you want to go to a random state, ask a fourth-grader a math question, and have the highest chance of them getting it right, you’ll probably be fine going to the place with the most white, high-income kids,” Chingos said. “But if you want to randomly place a kid in the state where he’ll learn the most, then this list is a better approximation of that.”
… To reach that approximation, Chingos and co-author Kristin Blagg used NAEP’s national data to compare test takers in each state directly against those of the same age, gender, race, socioeconomic background, special education status, and English language learner designation. These calculations effectively simulate a world in which Hispanic students, for example, are as plentiful in Maine as in Arizona.
Posted on 4/8/25 at 12:53 pm to RaoulDuke504
Phonics is the way to go.
Posted on 4/8/25 at 1:02 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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Does Reason realize how racist this article could be construed? Data isn’t racist, but man there could be some seriously racist outcomes derived from this article.
Statistics do not lie, but they do not answer the question, "Why?" Achievement almost always corresponds to socioeconomic status. Poor tend to perform poorly and stay poor. Wealthy tend to perform well and stay wealthy. Middle class tends to be tenuous; They can flow either direction.
Posted on 4/8/25 at 1:31 pm to RaoulDuke504
Mississippi and Louisiana at the top…in education. A big boar just crashed in a field and broke his wing.
Posted on 4/8/25 at 1:40 pm to RaoulDuke504
Damn, Oregon got some dumb white people. WV also, maybe we should adjust for the redneck factor??
Posted on 4/8/25 at 1:44 pm to RaoulDuke504
Okay, so two of some of the worst educated states suddenly become the two most improved state with one of the better educated states being 3rd?
Did they give out answers? There is no way they just suddenly improved as well as it shows. And is this only public school? If so I call absolute bullshite.
Did they give out answers? There is no way they just suddenly improved as well as it shows. And is this only public school? If so I call absolute bullshite.
Posted on 4/8/25 at 2:02 pm to RaoulDuke504
Has Mississippi ever had particularly bad scores when you adjust for demographics?
And Mississippi will still probably be at the bottom of the nation in test scores when you don't adjust for demographics.
And Mississippi will still probably be at the bottom of the nation in test scores when you don't adjust for demographics.
This post was edited on 4/8/25 at 2:04 pm
Posted on 4/8/25 at 2:14 pm to RaoulDuke504
so MS and LA have more intelligent white and asian kids than MA/NJ/CO? I'm skeptical
Posted on 4/8/25 at 2:18 pm to UFFan
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And Mississippi will still probably be at the bottom of the nation in test scores when you don't adjust for demographics.
Did you notice the blue line? Not even close.
Posted on 4/8/25 at 2:32 pm to RaoulDuke504
It means you take into account the how poor and stupid everyone is
Posted on 4/8/25 at 2:38 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
quote:Im more than skeptical
so MS and LA have more intelligent white and asian kids than MA/NJ/CO? I'm skeptical

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