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re: Midland (TX) Police Officer killed by man who thought his home was being burglarized
Posted on 3/7/19 at 2:56 pm to Choctaw
Posted on 3/7/19 at 2:56 pm to Choctaw
quote:So a guy is woken up by his alarm going off and someone inside his house
They weren't "invading" a home. They responded to a burglary call. Call could've been made by the alarm company.
Yeh, I am shooting that person too
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Posted on 3/7/19 at 2:56 pm to lsupride87
quote:
So a guy is woken up by his alarm going off and someone inside his house
You're too late to the thread trying this.
Posted on 3/7/19 at 3:01 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:I have read the entire thread
You're too late to the thread trying this
If my alarm is going off at night, and then I see someone in my house I am shooting them
I am not going to take the time to think about the contract I signed with the alarm company to be quite honest
If I heard and saw it was a cop I clearly wouldnt shoot
This, to me, could be a story of nobody really being a dickhead bad guy and some very unfortunate circumstances happening
Posted on 3/7/19 at 3:01 pm to lsupride87
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I have read the entire thread
Then you should know it's incredibly unlikely that the situation happened as you described it. You made that post just to start shite
Posted on 3/7/19 at 3:08 pm to shspanthers
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Why wouldn't they turn some lights on in the house to avoid confusion?
Because they never do this in the movies, duh
Posted on 3/7/19 at 3:53 pm to lsupride87
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So a guy is woken up by his alarm going off and someone inside his house
Yeh, I am shooting that person too
Do you realize how long it takes police to be notified that your alarm is going off? And then to type up the call, send it to the dispatcher actually on the radio who then assigns it to the officer? Assuming there are units available not on higher priority calls, best case you are talking 8-9 minutes before a patrol car pulls up. And that’s with everything working just right. Realistically, 15-20 minutes.
So the homeowner had an audible or visual alarm going off for about 10 minutes prior to any uniformed officer showing up. Or are you so ignorant as to assume these events are almost contemporaneous?
Posted on 3/7/19 at 3:57 pm to TigersSEC2010
As they should have. Rule # 1 of gun safety, identify your target. If he correctly could see his target and wasn't just firing at a flashlight blindly, he would have see it was a cop and not shot. Instead, he went gung ho, and fired. This is how kids, innocents, and cops get killed.
And before you say I'm anti gun, there are 22 guns in my home and 2 in my car at all times. This guy wan an idiot.
And before you say I'm anti gun, there are 22 guns in my home and 2 in my car at all times. This guy wan an idiot.
Posted on 3/7/19 at 4:03 pm to shel311
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Yea, I'm interested to know what police protocol is for an alarm going off.
I posted basics earlier
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If the door is closed, what is normal protocol?
Ive never heard of a situation where a door was unlocked, alarm going off, and you cant get anyone to come to the door. What I would do, is have the dispatcher try to call the residence. If the number is bad, contact alarm company and see what number they have for the homeowner and try to contact them that way. Still no contact? Then make entry to ensure there is no bad guy inside and nobody is hurt.
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If a door is not just unlocked but open, what is normal protocol?
Same as above
Posted on 3/7/19 at 6:26 pm to FelicianaTigerfan
Call people pussies all you want. When it comes to weighing your family's life vs looking like billy badass, the vast majority of people will choose keeping their loved ones safe.
Posted on 3/7/19 at 6:42 pm to baldona
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So how again are the police at fault for doing their exact job here?
They’re only at fault if they entered the house with no signs of forced entry.
They are SPECIFICALLY not supposed to do that. They are supposed to call out from outside and check the perimeter of the house and leave (source: this has happened to me multiple times). So let’s say the poster’s inside info earlier in the thread is correct and the police came into the house because the front door was unlocked. At that point, the state shouldn’t charge the home owner if the home owner feared for his life.
If the info in this thread is correct, my guess is the trainee officer didn’t know better and walked in.
This post was edited on 3/7/19 at 6:44 pm
Posted on 3/7/19 at 6:46 pm to shel311
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So, old boy just slep through the alarm going off, is that right?
Not all alarms blare. There are different types AND they can accidentally trip without setting off a sound.
But let’s say it DID blare. What do we have? A guy woken up, alarm going off looking for intruders and a cop walks in.
This post was edited on 3/7/19 at 6:47 pm
Posted on 3/7/19 at 6:50 pm to FelicianaTigerfan
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Ive never heard of a situation where a door was unlocked, alarm going off, and you cant get anyone to come to the door. What I would do, is have the dispatcher try to call the residence. If the number is bad, contact alarm company and see what number they have for the homeowner and try to contact them that way. Still no contact? Then make entry to ensure there is no bad guy inside and nobody is hurt.
The owner provides a list of names to be reached if an alarm goes off. The company is supposed to try and contact everyone on that list and relay back to dispatch.
If no one answers, the cops are supposed to survey the area for forced entry, if there is none or no evidence the owner is in danger, then they can leave a presence there etc but they can’t enter. If they do, they MUST have evidence of danger to the owner. The burden of proof is on the police here.
This post was edited on 3/7/19 at 6:51 pm
Posted on 3/7/19 at 6:55 pm to SoFla Tideroller
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Do you realize how long it takes police to be notified that your alarm is going off?
It actually doesn’t always take long. Mine went off once and the police were there almost immediately.
If they had a detail in the area (which seems to be high dollar so I would guess that) they would be there quickly.
This guy has a big house so I’m going to assume the time it takes searching the house and the time for a cop on close detail to arrive could overlap.
This post was edited on 3/7/19 at 6:56 pm
Posted on 3/7/19 at 7:07 pm to mametoo
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Then you should hope there is never an emergency around your home while you sleep. No time for them to get a warrant if there is a fire, chemical spill, etc.
Statistically it will probably be the Fire Dept., the cops will stand off until it is verified there are no dogs in your house.
Posted on 3/7/19 at 7:20 pm to 9Fiddy
I agree with you in a way. You really need to make sure what you are doing there.
Posted on 3/7/19 at 7:24 pm to 9Fiddy
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Rule # 1 of gun safety, identify your target. If he correctly could see his target and wasn't just firing at a flashlight blindly, he would have see it was a cop and not shot. Instead, he went gung ho, and fired. This is how kids, innocents, and cops get killed.
If only LEOs across the country followed this advice...
This post was edited on 3/7/19 at 7:39 pm
Posted on 3/7/19 at 7:31 pm to theunknownknight
quote:What do you base this one?
They’re only at fault if they entered the house with no signs of forced entry.
They are SPECIFICALLY not supposed to do that
Because there are I believe 2 cops in this thread saying their protocol is NOT what you're saying.
Posted on 3/7/19 at 7:41 pm to cable
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If I'm invading a home and want to get the upper hand the first thing I'm doing is shouting "police" when I break down the front door.
I know someone that went to rehab with a guy that used to rob drug dealers this way.
Posted on 3/7/19 at 8:26 pm to theunknownknight
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If no one answers, the cops are supposed to survey the area for forced entry, if there is none or no evidence the owner is in danger, then they can leave a presence there etc but they can’t enter. If they do, they MUST have evidence of danger to the owner. The burden of proof is on the police here.
Your experience responding to alarm calls as a sworn officer is exactly what, again?
Posted on 3/7/19 at 8:40 pm to Pesticide
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As an officer who's done this numerous times, I always announce loudly usually 4-5 times I'm the police.
The one time I had someone bang on my door at 2am and yell, "Police," I didn't answer the door. I had been mugged earlier that night, and thought it might be the guy who took my wallet. I waited until after he left my front door, then looked out the window and saw him getting in his car. It was the Dallas police officer that came to where I had been mugged, and filled out a report. He'd found my wallet, and brought it to me. The three crackheads that had jumped me, took the cash, but left everything else in it. They had dropped it a couple of blocks away. I was amazed the incident worked out so well.
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