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re: Midland (TX) Police Officer killed by man who thought his home was being burglarized

Posted on 3/7/19 at 10:19 am to
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
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Posted on 3/7/19 at 10:19 am to
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is saying something was an accident giving someone a "free pass"?
No. Accidents can still be negligent.
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 3/7/19 at 10:19 am to
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So the manslaughter charge fits even better then. That was fun.


its the same charge
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 3/7/19 at 10:20 am to
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its the same charge


It's not, but OK. I love when you start getting condescending when you clearly don't know what you're talking about.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112898 posts
Posted on 3/7/19 at 10:20 am to
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there are levels of irresponsibility

What level is killing the innocent person you asked to come to your house in that exact scenario?
Posted by Moarbenchespeaze
Member since Mar 2019
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Posted on 3/7/19 at 10:20 am to
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Amazing how quickly he was charged vs the dallas cop lady who entered the upstairs neighbor's apartment.


Police are the politicians right arm. They will always side with them. Always. Then they can use them to cover up their own crimes in the future for having their back.

He needs an excellent lawyer to help him here and even then he needs to realize he will have an X on his back from here on out for "killing" one of their own.

Sad case indeed. Police over reach is unruly and ridiculous.

Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 3/7/19 at 10:21 am to
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It's not, but OK


explain the differences

Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 3/7/19 at 10:21 am to
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Police over reach is unruly and ridiculous.



What the frick does this have to do with this story?
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 3/7/19 at 10:21 am to
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explain the differences


They are different charges in TX. IS your google broken?
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
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Posted on 3/7/19 at 10:22 am to
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If you can prove he knew it was the cops, I agree



Oh, bullshite. He signed a contract with an alarm company that states it will notify the local police when an alarm activates. Then he received a phone call from the alarm company to verify the alarm and failed to give proper code. Failing that, his alarm panel had either an audible or visual signal it activated (or both). Then the cops gave verbal warnings coupled with the flashlights.

"But, but, he was a sound sleeper and didn't hear the alarm or his phone!" He should have thought about that before he contracted for a service that obligates the police to come to his residence.

Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112898 posts
Posted on 3/7/19 at 10:23 am to
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explain the differences

Doesn't saying they're the same ONLY apply to involuntary manslaughter?

Which is irrelevant here, because this would be voluntary, correct?
Posted by Salmon
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Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 3/7/19 at 10:23 am to
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What level is killing the innocent person you asked to come to your house in that exact scenario?


like I said earlier

I'm giving the property owner the benefit when it comes to protecting their property

and like has been repeated several times now, we don't know all the information, so all this back and forth seems pointless

Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
77270 posts
Posted on 3/7/19 at 10:30 am to
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What level is killing the innocent person you asked to come to your house in that exact scenario?
Y’all keep saying this, but did this individual specifically ask the police to enter his home?

By using the term “ask”, you are implying there is a choice.

There is no choice.

We are not afforded the option of not permitting them entrance if they want to enter.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 3/7/19 at 10:31 am to
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but did this individual specifically ask the police to enter his home?

Now this is a semantics argument
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We are not afforded the option of not permitting them entrance if they want to enter.




Wut?
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 3/7/19 at 10:33 am to
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Now this is a semantics argument


well these are the types of arguments that are going to be the difference in this case
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 3/7/19 at 10:34 am to
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well these are the types of arguments that are going to be the difference in this case


It appears the police were called to the correct address. It appears they did a walk around and only entered after finding a door open. Scruffy's argument quickly evaporates at that point.
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
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Posted on 3/7/19 at 10:38 am to
Y’all keep saying this, but did this individual specifically ask the police to enter his home?
quote:


By using the term “ask”, you are implying there is a choice.

There is no choice.

We are not afforded the option of not permitting them entrance if they want to enter.


Are you stupid? The moment he contracted with the alarm company that stipulates it will contact the police he "asked" Midland PD to respond.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112898 posts
Posted on 3/7/19 at 10:39 am to
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Y’all keep saying this, but did this individual specifically ask the police to enter his home?

By using the term “ask”, you are implying there is a choice.

There is no choice.

We are not afforded the option of not permitting them entrance if they want to enter.
It has to do with the person having the alarm and enabling the alarm, which essentially means he has signed forms about that process, and he knows cops will come when that alarm goes off.
Posted by jbgleason
Bailed out of BTR to God's Country
Member since Mar 2012
20157 posts
Posted on 3/7/19 at 10:39 am to
It seems that there are a large percentage of OT'ers who don't want the police to respond to calls for service at residential addresses. I can only imagine those same posters outrage if the police pulled up to the curb, didn't see anything and drove off. Only to find out the family was being murdered and raped inside while the police drove away.

Then it would be "fricking lazy cops didn't even bother to get out of their cars, fatasses!!!" It is a fact that, for many posters here, there is no way for the police to win.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
77270 posts
Posted on 3/7/19 at 10:41 am to
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Now this is a semantics argument
Not really.

Y’all keep saying that we “ask” them to enter our homes.

If you aren’t afforded a choice, you aren’t asking.

Using the word “ask” frames the situation as if he is automatically at fault due to some previous agreement.

You are doing the opposite of those who automatically lay the blame on cops by shifting the burden onto the homeowner.

Just Scruffy’s opinion.
quote:

Wut?
Can Scruffy opt out of allowing police the ability to enter his home under all circumstances?
Posted by Salmon
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Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 3/7/19 at 10:42 am to
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Can Scruffy opt out of allowing police the ability to enter his home under all circumstances?



unfortunately, no
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