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re: Mental health clinicians will start answering some 911 calls in Chicago — instead of cops
Posted on 7/15/21 at 1:45 pm to RLDSC FAN
Posted on 7/15/21 at 1:45 pm to RLDSC FAN
I’m sure the police aren’t going to complain about calls they aren’t sent to. What’s amazing are the people who are voluntarily going to respond to these situations without the means to defend themselves. Kudos to them, hope it works out.
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Posted on 7/15/21 at 1:48 pm to RLDSC FAN
Houston has done this for decades. But they go with the cops not instead of the cops.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 1:49 pm to RLDSC FAN
How long before mental health evaluations will be deemed
R A C I S T ?
R A C I S T ?
Posted on 7/15/21 at 1:49 pm to jbgleason
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So someone needs to explain to me how non-police are going to handle that situation? Do they think they are going to talk a gun or knife out of the hand of a crazy person like in the movies? I think they are just going to end up dead.
A lot of mental health calls are things like someone has made a threat to harm themselves or is suicidal. Or someone is out of med compliance and is hallucinating/delusional without a weapon. Or someone is overdosing/using (they’re sending them with paramedics).
If you’ve ever worked in community health or a psychiatric facility, you deal with that daily.
They’re not just throwing folks out there with no protection or training for crisis situations.
This post was edited on 7/15/21 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 7/15/21 at 1:49 pm to RLDSC FAN
Will be interesting to see how this works out. Police really aren't trained to handle mental health situations adequately.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 1:53 pm to RLDSC FAN
Honestly not a terrible idea
Posted on 7/15/21 at 1:53 pm to c on z
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This is part of what people mean when they say ‘defund the police’.
Except for the idiots who actually meant "defund the police." Lets see. For progressives.
Defund the police =/= defund the police
Black lives matter =/= All black lives. Only ones killed by whitey
Maybe y'all should say what you actually mean instead of trying to fool people with crappy language.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 1:59 pm to CocomoLSU
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I don't see why this is a bad thing. I am sure there are lots of 911 calls that could and should be handled by this kind of thing. As long as the police are still handling the shite they should be handling, I don't see why this would be such a big deal.
In theory, it is a good thing. In practice, though, it is a slippery slope with a very slim margin for error.
Once, while listening to the local scanner, a call came across for an unruly teen that was threatening to harm himself. Police were dispatched. A few minutes later the call was updated with the teen having become violent, attacked family members, and was armed with a knife.
No unarmed mental health expert is going to do anything in that situation other than become another potential victim. Now, the dispatcher also dispatched a social worker to the scene (they usually have a couple on call) along with officers. They have strict orders/policy that dictates police must gain control of the scene before other responders can go in.
The very first time this new policy leads to potentially avoidable injury or death, we are sure to hear, "Why didn't you dispatch police? They could have stopped this."
It is a lose/lose situation with no perfect solution.
This post was edited on 7/15/21 at 3:47 pm
Posted on 7/15/21 at 2:02 pm to MrWalkingMan
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Maybe someone struggling with suicidal ideation would be better served talking to a professional?
It’s not like Chicago PD isn’t dealing with other shite all the time
I agree with this. But there are still mental health calls that need a police officer to protect ambulance crews. I’ve had lots of psychotic patients get violent and it’s a good thing extra hands were available.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 2:25 pm to c on z
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This is part of what people mean when they say ‘defund the police’.
what about the people saying “abolish the police” ?
Posted on 7/15/21 at 2:48 pm to c on z
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This post was edited on 12/21/23 at 10:59 am
Posted on 7/15/21 at 2:53 pm to RLDSC FAN
We all saw how that played out for Kevin McAllister's mother - seriously, there is a place for mental health professionals in certain situations, safely deployed...
Posted on 7/15/21 at 2:59 pm to cwil177
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But there are still mental health calls that need a police officer to protect ambulance crews
Sure, and I'm sure the dispatchers will receive training on when to send mental health clinicians with and without police. And I'd imagine they'll also be a valuable backup resource for police officers that respond to some calls.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 3:03 pm to MrWalkingMan
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Maybe someone struggling with suicidal ideation would be better served talking to a professional?
It’s not like Chicago PD isn’t dealing with other shite all the time
Ultimately it is just further specialization and letting people focus on more core skill sets if done well.
We expect police to handle an incredibly broad spectrum of issues. Taking some of the less volatile items that lean on specialized training off their plates let’s them focus on bigger issues, right?
Posted on 7/15/21 at 3:03 pm to swolverine
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Do you mean Republicans or are you back to admitting it now?
Only when something bad happens then the republicans did it.
It's selective defunding by the regressive democrats. They only defund when something good happens.
It's a super progressive strategy backed by the media complex.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 3:05 pm to Jack Bauers HnK
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What’s amazing are the people who are voluntarily going to respond to these situations without the means to defend themselves. Kudos to them, hope it works out.
CIT responders are not new ideas - even Nola has had them for years. I think they respond with an officer, assess safety, and officer can split more quickly than usual though but not sure.
Posted on 7/15/21 at 3:08 pm to RLDSC FAN
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Mental health clinicians
Make about as much as McDonalds workers
Good luck. Posted on 7/15/21 at 3:10 pm to RLDSC FAN
The overall idea isn't bad, but there is a reason cops have to secure scenes for EMS before they arrive. More often than not, what is told the the dispatcher isn't exactly what is happening and the situation at the scene is quite different.
To basically send these people into situations without protection is going to end up in one or more of them dying.
As someone above said, cops don't go to the scenes and randomly kill people. When someone crazy comes at you with a knife, it doesn't matter if they are mentally ill, you have to take action to save your life and the lives of those around you.
What happens when these mental health teams show up to a scene and are attacked with a gun or knife and the cops are nowhere to be found?
To basically send these people into situations without protection is going to end up in one or more of them dying.
As someone above said, cops don't go to the scenes and randomly kill people. When someone crazy comes at you with a knife, it doesn't matter if they are mentally ill, you have to take action to save your life and the lives of those around you.
What happens when these mental health teams show up to a scene and are attacked with a gun or knife and the cops are nowhere to be found?
This post was edited on 7/15/21 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 7/15/21 at 3:10 pm to jbgleason
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So someone needs to explain to me how non-police are going to handle that situation? Do they think they are going to talk a gun or knife out of the hand of a crazy person like in the movies? I think they are just going to end up dead.
Officer and CIT would both respond to the call of a mental health situation with a weapon. Officer would take the lead with support from CIT while there is a safety risk, once stabilized the CIT can transition the person into custody and care
Posted on 7/15/21 at 3:11 pm to c on z
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This is part of what people mean when they say ‘defund the police’.
No it absolutely is not you disingenuous hypocrite.
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