re: Medical disinformation and crackpot advice is out of control

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I don’t get sick

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Because you have no friends, therefore no one hangs out around you

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The above type of regulations and waffling back and forth created cognitive dissonance amongst the American Public. The people in charge never admitted they were wrong and/or outright lied for other reasons.

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That's fair and I believe they knew they were waffling. I think that could be as much due to changing assessments of what they were dealing with as it was just plain incompetence.

Totally agree on your latter point. The public has a high tolerance for mistakes if someone actually admits the mistake. Doubling down is ALWAYS a bad strategy. Like the whole bat soup deal....it didn't take a genius to question that theory when there's a fricking virus research center in the same city . To just stifle any reasonable questions was just so, so dumb.

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You do realize that what OP is talking about applies to vaccines outside of COVID vaccines that have been in use and well-researched, right?

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um yeah OK. Cdc recommends 25 vaccines for ages 0-1. Yeah, their bodies should be able to handle those chemicals no prob. You never hear of newborn animals in the wild born healthy thst suddenly drop dead for no reason. But we have SIDS for perfectly healthy kids. Yeah ok. Young babies that just go non verbal and go on the spectrum all of sudden after getting vaccines. It is estimated that only 10% of vaccine injuries are reported by nurses, Dr's, hospitals.

You wanna give credit, give credit to clean drinking water and better sanitary conditions / sewage.

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Oh frick right off, bootlicker.

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I'm not reading the rest of your diatribe because you jump right to the ad hominem, and apparently have little capacity for understanding.

I'm not a bootlicker for thinking our extraordinary liberty doesn't ALWAYS, EVERY SINGLE TIME, work in our favor. Sometimes our independent spirit works at cross purposes to our overall health.

It's part of the price we pay for our extraordinary liberty. There's a natural tension between liberty and security. We, Americans, generally lean towards liberty over security - except sometimes.

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“No human is illegal.”

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but any human can commit illegal acts

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“Love is Love.”

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law of identity, one of the first things science figured out

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“Kindness is everything.”

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a trope yes, but kindness is the moral way and in no circumstance can ever cause harm

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Security is the club that the fascist uses to strip you of your liberty.

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I see. So, you believe that we should not only get rid of the Dept. of Homeland Security as I do, but you also believe we need to get rid of the Dept. of Defense, as well as the FBI, and all state and local police forces - anything that provides a modicum of security.

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You’re a fascist and I’m not going to stand for that.

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Stay seated, then. But as my grandmother used to say, "you never can tell where you stand from where you sit".

You're either an extremist, or a child. I'm leaning towards child.

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Can you give examples?

...cause, I'm going to suggest that there's NEVER an altruistic reason for the dishonesty.

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Fair enough - I don't mean objectively/truly altruistic. Rather that some of the decisions we might talk about in this thread may have had motives many would find understandable - even if the resulting action isn't deemed justified. Reasons that aren't merely greed, to exert control for the sake of control/subjugation, etc.

For example, I don't believe there was any real shift on the science of masking. I think most medical professionals probably thought widespread correct masking would probably provide some level of protection (I certainly believe minimal) against a respiratory illness. So when we were told early in the COVID saga that masking wouldn't be effective, only to be later told that it was not only effective but a necessity, I think both were lies.

Initially, I think they didn't trust the public to use them properly and were concerned about us ineffectively using up availably supply. That's the type of stuff I'm talking about.

There are many others in COVID along the same lines, but IMO as the period progressed the gravity of the lie became larger and larger. Even the later dishonesty that may have had "good" motives becomes far harder to rationalize as more and more information came out. As did the depth of the deception.

For example, the AAP pretending that infants being able to see facial expressions was suddenly unimportant after decades of guidance otherwise (because it was a justification not to mask). Or pushing vaccines that we knew weren't very effective on 6 month olds despite knowing that there was negligible risk to young children.