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re: Medical disinformation and crackpot advice is out of control

Posted on 1/28/25 at 12:54 pm to
Posted by jose
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 1/28/25 at 12:54 pm to
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This morning I saw a post about flu going around the schools and the number one liked post was someone telling a mom to not give their kid motril but rub a fricking potato on their foot and put garlic in their socks.



As a primary care physician, I hear this type of stuff all the time.

Parents bring their kids in and want them swabbed for everything, but yet don't want modern medicines to help them. They want their home remedies.

Well by all means, don't' let me stand in your way.
Posted by Wiener
Member since Apr 2019
112 posts
Posted on 1/28/25 at 1:04 pm to
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As a primary care physician, I hear this type of stuff all the time.

Parents bring their kids in and want them swabbed for everything, but yet don't want modern medicines to help them. They want their home remedies.

Well by all means, don't' let me stand in your way

Obviously big potato and big garlic haven't lined your pockets well enough.
Posted by JiminyCricket
Member since Jun 2017
6589 posts
Posted on 1/28/25 at 1:42 pm to
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As a primary care physician, I hear this type of stuff all the time.

Parents bring their kids in and want them swabbed for everything, but yet don't want modern medicines to help them. They want their home remedies.

Well by all means, don't' let me stand in your way.



I'm intrigued to get your opinion as a PCP on a subject I talked about earlier in the thread. Obviously, taking medications for infections and things of that nature can be hugely beneficial and oftentimes life saving but what's your read on the massive numbers of prescriptions being written for long-term disease prevention?

As a regular joe, it's difficult to trust that I need to take lifelong medication like statins and follow establishment food recommendations, like avoiding red meat, when all I see is a population that's getting fatter, sicker and more medicated.
This post was edited on 1/28/25 at 1:44 pm
Posted by Rabby
Member since Mar 2021
1746 posts
Posted on 1/28/25 at 1:54 pm to
The goobermint medical perfeshunals crapped all over the credibility pot and now nobody knows of a truly reliable source of health information.
This will take a long time to fix.
Pausing the NIH and other government health programs for a period of review and reboot is a great start.
Then take the trouble to be completely accurate and earn the trust of the skeptical public.
Posted by jose
Member since Feb 2009
29729 posts
Posted on 1/28/25 at 1:55 pm to
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Obviously big potato and big garlic haven't lined your pockets well enough.



Yes that is exactly why I do what I do.

Seriously though, I get $0 from writing medications for patients. This is such blatant misinformation.

Keep taking the big potato and big garlic if you want.
Posted by grizzlylongcut
Member since Sep 2021
15436 posts
Posted on 1/28/25 at 1:59 pm to
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Even your post is how we are addressing symptoms. I don’t get sick and I’m not depressed because I lead a healthy physical and mental lifestyle. That’s the shite we need to fix


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Mingo Was His NameO


Too bad you’re a douche bag who no one likes
Posted by jose
Member since Feb 2009
29729 posts
Posted on 1/28/25 at 1:59 pm to
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I'm intrigued to get your opinion as a PCP on a subject I talked about earlier in the thread. Obviously, taking medications for infections and things of that nature can be hugely beneficial and oftentimes life saving but what's your read on the massive numbers of prescriptions being written for long-term disease prevention?

As a regular joe, it's difficult to trust that I need to take lifelong medication like statins and follow establishment food recommendations, like avoiding red meat, when all I see is a population that's getting fatter, sicker and more medicated.



I think you almost answered your own question. Yes there is a place for lots of long term prescriptions to prevent cardiovascular disease, i.e your statins and anti-hypertensives, but in general just leading a heathy lifestyle and keeping a healthy weight is much more attenable.

But with that said some disease like Familial hypercholesterolemia run in some families and no diet can prevent elevated LDLs. In this case and you will need likely lifelong statin therapy. It runs in my family as well. But yes, the population is getting fatter and unhealthier and this too causes more and more medicines to be prescribed.
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
16141 posts
Posted on 1/28/25 at 2:06 pm to
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I get $0 from writing medications for patients


There was also a huge thread about how little (if they didn't lose money) pharmacists make filling Rx, last month.

I'm also pretty sure the physician that cut my daughter's adenoids out didn't realize I was going to be charged $800 for 1/4 tsp of IV Acetaminophen either, otherwise he would have told us to squirt some in her mouth in the waiting room.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
37536 posts
Posted on 1/28/25 at 2:11 pm to
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I get $0 from writing medications for patients


You get paid to see patients correct? If a patient is on a script that requires you to rewrite the script every 30/60/90 days, whatever, you absolutely get paid by putting them on a script. If you send them out without it, they aren’t coming back
Posted by JiminyCricket
Member since Jun 2017
6589 posts
Posted on 1/28/25 at 2:13 pm to
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I think you almost answered your own question. Yes there is a place for lots of long term prescriptions to prevent cardiovascular disease, i.e your statins and anti-hypertensives, but in general just leading a heathy lifestyle and keeping a healthy weight is much more attenable.

But with that said some disease like Familial hypercholesterolemia run in some families and no diet can prevent elevated LDLs. In this case and you will need likely lifelong statin therapy. It runs in my family as well. But yes, the population is getting fatter and unhealthier and this too causes more and more medicines to be prescribed.


I work out a ton, don't carry much extra weight and have some good lean mass. Doc says my cholesterol was high and I need a statin. Got put on one and it wrecked me. Don't wanna take that shite ever again. What's a guy like me to do in that instance? Is it statin or fricked?
This post was edited on 1/28/25 at 2:14 pm
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 1/28/25 at 2:19 pm to
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This post was edited on 5/6/26 at 8:27 pm
Posted by Jcorye1
Tom Brady = GoAT
Member since Dec 2007
76373 posts
Posted on 1/28/25 at 2:21 pm to
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I'm afraid we're going to see the pendulum swing too far in an overcorrection


This is what I kept telling people that were hardcore covidians/people on the left. Life is a pendulum, and it's gonna swing back just as hard as you swung it to begin with.
Posted by CollegeFBRules
Member since Oct 2008
25726 posts
Posted on 1/28/25 at 2:22 pm to
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You get paid to see patients correct? If a patient is on a script that requires you to rewrite the script every 30/60/90 days, whatever, you absolutely get paid by putting them on a script. If you send them out without it, they aren’t coming back


You just make shite up that makes zero sense and has even less merit.
Posted by jose
Member since Feb 2009
29729 posts
Posted on 1/28/25 at 2:26 pm to
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You get paid to see patients correct? If a patient is on a script that requires you to rewrite the script every 30/60/90 days, whatever, you absolutely get paid by putting them on a script. If you send them out without it, they aren’t coming back


Yea I get paid to see patients and manage their conditions. I get paid for educating patients, discussing labs, doing all my injections that I do, etc. Writing meds is part of being of physician.

If they don't take the meds I recommend isn't that their issue?
Posted by AwgustaDawg
CSRA
Member since Jan 2023
14047 posts
Posted on 1/28/25 at 2:26 pm to
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This morning I saw a post about flu going around the schools and the number one liked post was someone telling a mom to not give their kid motril but rub a fricking potato on their foot and put garlic in their socks.




It was probably the most liked because most people saw it for the joke it was but logistically the advice is about as effective as anything on the market for the flu....all any of it does is cover up symptoms (reducing fever, blocking pain) while the virus runs its course.

The industry was fricking shameful long before 2020. For at least 40 years prior to 2020 the industry was basically legal crack dealers standing on legal street corners. They aided somewhere around 10,000 overdoses in 199 to about 80,000 in 2022. That does not include the number of addicts they have created and is only the opioids, not any of the myriad of shite they hawk to treat, not cure, all manner of shite.

They are not alone in deserving their share of the blame...patients insist on some sort of drug for EVERYTHING....the less it costs them out of pocket the more they demand...who can blame the provider for writing a script for some whiney arse overweight motherfricker who is miserable themselves and bent on making the provider miserable with their complaining and bitchin...life is painful and most people do not feel good all the time....normal people fricking deal with it but far too many insist that a doctor fix their condition which is nothing more than being alive.

The homeopathic idiots are just as bad if not worse.

There is a simple answer....ask questions and do your own due diligence. If it sounds fricking wacko it probably is. If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. If, on the other hand, it is something that has been around for years and years and has a proven track record there is most likely a reason for that....it works to some extent. If you must decide between a doctor with a degree who has been practicing for some time and facebook fricking go with the doctor for fricks sake....or don't, its your life, you do you boo....
Posted by jose
Member since Feb 2009
29729 posts
Posted on 1/28/25 at 2:27 pm to
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Got put on one and it wrecked me. Don't wanna take that shite ever again. What's a guy like me to do in that instance? Is it statin or fricked?


Likely you got Atorvastatin or Lipitor, which is the best for lowering LDL levels, but also highest chance of side effects. In that scenario, I would try Rosuvastatin as a secondary choice. It has less of a side effect profile.
Posted by jose
Member since Feb 2009
29729 posts
Posted on 1/28/25 at 2:28 pm to
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You just make shite up that makes zero sense and has even less merit.



It's arguing with a brick wall
Posted by CollegeFBRules
Member since Oct 2008
25726 posts
Posted on 1/28/25 at 2:29 pm to
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It's arguing with a brick wall


He’ll be here in a little bit to tell you that is what he is built like.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39820 posts
Posted on 1/28/25 at 2:33 pm to
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TLDR Health authorities and politicians fricked up the pandemic health response so badly; complete nutjobs have taken over as the authoritative voice in medicine.


Lol. Sucks for you guys.
Posted by AwgustaDawg
CSRA
Member since Jan 2023
14047 posts
Posted on 1/28/25 at 2:42 pm to
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The result is a ton of previously normal people being unable to trust experts on significant things,


That ain't it and it ain't close...the result is a bunch of fricking idiots are convinced that everything is a conspiracy against them and the truth comes from social media. They are idiots and social media gives them a voice. If one is taking advice from social media one is a fricking idiot. If one is basing important decisions on social media one is a fricking idiot. If one is confused by shite on social media and thinks it might actually be real, that there is the remotest chance, that there are actually UFOs and drones from Chine or wherever the frick about to enslave us all to the lizard people then one is an idiot. It is really that frick simple. Is science always right? Not fricking close. Does science often have an agenda? Almost always. Is it less likely to be right or pushing an agenda than fricking Twitter????? It is a guranteed certainty. And it is truly that simple.


Get off social media unless you know without any doubt it is all bullshite. Turn off the fricking TV, again unless you know its all about selling pecker pills, investment scams, soft drinks and insurance. Go for a walk. Volunteer to help someone in need. Learn to pick a guitar. Write down your life story for your kids and their kids....get the frick out of your own head and stop worrying about shite that is unlikely to happen and you have no control over if it does. All of a sudden drug companies and doctors won't have any role in your life at all.

We live in the safest period mankind has ever enjoyed. We have a commodity that all but a miniscule number of humans have ever had and that is a secure safe source of drinking water. We have the collected wisdom of the entirety of our race at our fingertips. We have unlimited choices when it comes to diversions, food is a nuisance only in its so damned difficult to decide what we are going to eat instead of where the frick it is going to come from. we live in warmth in winter and chilled environments in summer, most of us do not perform any physical activity to earn our keep and even those who do have advanced technology which makes their jobs relatively effortless.

We actually have it so good that we know, deep in our DNA, that it is not normal....man has NEVER lived as well as most on the planet live today...and it absolutely is not sustainable nor likely to end any time soon....and the only knowledge that matters is this....when it does end, and it will, there ain't a fricking thing 99.9% of us on the planet at the time can do about it....why people get so wrought up over shite they can't control is beyond me......
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