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Posted on 10/6/23 at 10:54 am to SneezyBeltranIsHere
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I am shocked by how many communists are on this board. We need to keep the government out of our lives and out of our business. Let people do what they want with their own private property. If you disagree, please move to North Korea.
Please point out in my OP where I said I want the government to kill AirBNB?
Perhaps you are jumping to conclusions and failed to realize that the free market can also kill AirBNB.
Posted on 10/6/23 at 10:57 am to stout
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Perhaps you are jumping to conclusions and failed to realize that the free market can also kill AirBNB.
The market has spoken. It hasn't killed AirBNB. Governmental entities across the country are in communist attack mode against AirBNB.
Posted on 10/6/23 at 10:57 am to WDE24
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I’m sure it’s already happening in a lot of markets. Price softening hasn’t hit mine yet that I’ve noticed, but the writing is on the wall. Although I typically only keep up with a couple of in demand zip codes, so it may be happening in my market broadly already.
Prices have plateaued in my area, but they were very high to begin with. Only difference I'm seeing is house sit for sale for about 1-2 months instead of a week.
Posted on 10/6/23 at 10:58 am to SneezyBeltranIsHere
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am shocked by how many communists are on this board. We need to keep the government out of our lives and out of our business. Let people do what they want with their own private property. If you disagree, please move to North Korea.
Would you be okay with your neighbor tearing down their house and starting a landfill on it?
Posted on 10/6/23 at 11:05 am to stout
AirBnB is such an interesting delimma.
It’s great for consumers, giving them a ton of options they never had before to find convenient, affordable, and often luxurious lodging, especially in places with limited options. It’s especially great for families or large groups who can rent a whole private house rather than a bunch of separate hotel rooms.
It’s great for homeowners who buy vacation properties which they only use for part of the year. It allows them to monetize an asset that is otherwise sitting idle.
However, the big issue with AirBnB’s tends to be the impact that they can have on neighborhoods as an aggregate. In many tourist cities, people flock to trendy historic neighborhoods to eat like a local. They want to stay in an apartment there and get the full experience. But; what happens when most of the apartments in that neighborhood have been converted into short-term rentals? You basically took a residential neighborhood and turned it into a resort. This has big consequences for sales tax, infrastructure, and local businesses. This prices out the residents, who now must live farther away. In addition, the overwhelming majority of airbnbs are no longer simply vacation homes owned by wealthy part time residents. They are owned and operated by large international real estate corporations with zero ties to the community the rental is located in.
When airbnb’s take over a neighborhood, you lose something in the process…people. Tourists are great, but they aren’t a neighborhood, especially when tourism is often seasonal.
AirBnb’s are often a great thing for a city/neighborhood in small doses, but bad in large doses. One of the reasons airbnb’s were competitive on price was because they were not subject to the same tax and regulatory burdens as hotels. Changes in law have slowly made them less competitive economically. I would argue that increasing competition and our impending real-estate crash will take care of the problem for us, but the questions of what we do with these depopulated neighborhoods is an interesting one. The libertarian would say do nothing and let the market sort it out. I’m not sure if that’s the best approach for everywhere. New Orleans’s approach is interesting, but see the potential for serious corruption and a high likelihood of zero to no effective enforcement.
It’s great for consumers, giving them a ton of options they never had before to find convenient, affordable, and often luxurious lodging, especially in places with limited options. It’s especially great for families or large groups who can rent a whole private house rather than a bunch of separate hotel rooms.
It’s great for homeowners who buy vacation properties which they only use for part of the year. It allows them to monetize an asset that is otherwise sitting idle.
However, the big issue with AirBnB’s tends to be the impact that they can have on neighborhoods as an aggregate. In many tourist cities, people flock to trendy historic neighborhoods to eat like a local. They want to stay in an apartment there and get the full experience. But; what happens when most of the apartments in that neighborhood have been converted into short-term rentals? You basically took a residential neighborhood and turned it into a resort. This has big consequences for sales tax, infrastructure, and local businesses. This prices out the residents, who now must live farther away. In addition, the overwhelming majority of airbnbs are no longer simply vacation homes owned by wealthy part time residents. They are owned and operated by large international real estate corporations with zero ties to the community the rental is located in.
When airbnb’s take over a neighborhood, you lose something in the process…people. Tourists are great, but they aren’t a neighborhood, especially when tourism is often seasonal.
AirBnb’s are often a great thing for a city/neighborhood in small doses, but bad in large doses. One of the reasons airbnb’s were competitive on price was because they were not subject to the same tax and regulatory burdens as hotels. Changes in law have slowly made them less competitive economically. I would argue that increasing competition and our impending real-estate crash will take care of the problem for us, but the questions of what we do with these depopulated neighborhoods is an interesting one. The libertarian would say do nothing and let the market sort it out. I’m not sure if that’s the best approach for everywhere. New Orleans’s approach is interesting, but see the potential for serious corruption and a high likelihood of zero to no effective enforcement.
This post was edited on 10/6/23 at 11:08 am
Posted on 10/6/23 at 11:12 am to stout
My HOA forbids it. Hell, they won't let you lease your house unless you file paperwork with them. I think they have softened a little since I've seen more leases open this year the 3 yrs before now.
Posted on 10/6/23 at 11:18 am to SneezyBeltranIsHere
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Governmental entities across the country are in communist attack mode against AirBNB.
It's called zoning. The same thing that keeps a sewage pond from being built next to you.
Posted on 10/6/23 at 11:22 am to Epic Cajun
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Would you be okay with your neighbor tearing down their house and starting a landfill on it?
I live on a multiacre piece of property. I came from poor parents, worked my arse off, and have a house that is fully paid for on land that is fully paid for. Anyone who isn't lazy can do the same or better. I applaud anyone who uses AirBNB and is trying to improve their financial standing. I will never interfere with what people want to do on land that THEY OWN. If YOU are worried about things like this because you can see your neighbors, that is the result of your own choices. Get to fricking work and make some fricking money.
Posted on 10/6/23 at 11:23 am to Bluefin
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Good luck. I will always choose to stay in a 1 BR bungalow for $60/night that also has a $130 service fee and $300 cleaning fee before I'd stay in a $85/night 3-star hotel.
So you’ll spend $300 for a 5 day stay?
Posted on 10/6/23 at 11:27 am to Fun Bunch
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Orlando/Disney is probably one of the few exceptions to the rule, I agree.
There are some other places I have been with scant hotel options but great VRBO options.
Sedona is a place like that as well.
Yeah, I just check everything really.
But the less I spend on one vacation the more vacations I can take.
I got a good deal on a house on the beach in two weeks. Vrbo again. Not going to go stay in a hotel when im at the beach. And obviously, there are other rental companies all over the beaches you can short term rent from.
This post was edited on 10/6/23 at 11:30 am
Posted on 10/6/23 at 12:10 pm to teke184
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Can’t legally kill AirBnB but I’m sure a lot of states and municipalities are going to legislate them to death in an attempt to tax them.
In Florida’s case specifically, there are laws on the book regarding commercial property and how it is taxed. The state brought in a ton of money by data mining at one point by buying a database of all commercial property listed as available in the state and cross referencing it with the tax rolls to see who was paying taxes on those properties.
Anyone not paying the commercial property tax received a bill and likely a bunch of interest and penalties as well.
You think the state of Florida, for example and since you mention Florida specifically, is going to do anything that will negatively affect tourism $$$$?
I own a rental condo in Florida and though the property tax is more than it is in Georgia and Alabama, where I have lived most of my life, I don't pay a commercial property tax and have received no bills or documents that anything of the sort is forthcoming or even planned.
eta: short term rentals pay a state and county usage tax but that's been the case since the first rental unit I ever owned in Florida, which was about 9 years ago. And naturally, you only get homestead exemption on the property where you actually reside. That's been the case for as long as I can remember.
This post was edited on 10/6/23 at 12:14 pm
Posted on 10/6/23 at 1:06 pm to stout
Let free market free market
Also, because of Airbnb how many of those houses were updated to rent out?
Also, because of Airbnb how many of those houses were updated to rent out?
Posted on 10/6/23 at 2:40 pm to tigeraddict
quote: " am shocked by how many communists are on this board. We need to keep the government out of our lives and out of our business. Let people do what they want with their own private property. If you disagree, please move to North Korea."
so you would have no issue with your neighbor making his house a public bar, funeral home, auto repair shop, strip club, dog pound, all night convenient store, etc?
so you would have no issue with your neighbor making his house a public bar, funeral home, auto repair shop, strip club, dog pound, all night convenient store, etc?
This post was edited on 10/6/23 at 2:41 pm
Posted on 10/6/23 at 4:14 pm to CORIMA
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so you would have no issue with your neighbor making his house a public bar, funeral home, auto repair shop, strip club, dog pound, all night convenient store, etc?
You must’ve missed his post where that would’ve affect him because he decided to buy a swath of land and cannot view his neighbors. Everyone that doesn’t want a landfill next door to them should do the same
Posted on 10/6/23 at 6:40 pm to SneezyBeltranIsHere
quote:well I’m not communist, I do like good zoning laws, if you wanna operate a hotel, you’re more than welcome to do that in a commercially zoned piece of property
I am shocked by how many communists are on this board.
Posted on 10/6/23 at 6:52 pm to SneezyBeltranIsHere
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SneezyBeltranIsHere
How many junked cars you have parked out front?
Any appliances on the front porch?
Posted on 10/6/23 at 7:14 pm to stout
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Yeah, I wonder if they are actually washing the sheets in an STR and if they are they aren't drying them in a commercial unit that gets really hot and kills germs like a hotel does.
Great point. I also wonder if the Americans that own a small business are working less hard than the min wage workers doing laundry and housekeeping in a hotel.
Posted on 10/6/23 at 8:14 pm to MyRockstarComplex
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But is that issue unique to tourism destinations? Houses are still flying off the shelf north of Atlanta and the AirBNB inventory is sparse. Granted, this bubble goes bust when recession hits and middle managers are cut.
The major markets will be hit harder because they have the most Airbnb inventory and the most price appreciation, but no market will be immune to it.
Many investors bought homes to rent at thin margins with little equity down, assuming debt pay down and appreciation. Costs to own have increased, bookings are way down. This will continue to increase with more govt regulation, and less travel as consumers are tapped out (see rising credit card and defaults). The recent surge in google searches for “sell my Airbnb” is crazy.
Based on Airbnb to for sale ratio, if just a fraction of the Airbnb assets are listed, it will cause a massive disequilibrium in supply/demand and massive drop in values. Buckle up.
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