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re: Marine officer shows how to win friends and influence people

Posted on 11/29/23 at 8:15 am to
Posted by Sam Quint
Member since Sep 2022
8886 posts
Posted on 11/29/23 at 8:15 am to
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Unfortunately, it appears that those company grade officers who share that "woke" mentality are the ones who will more than likely make field grade officers if our military branches continue this slide toward the all inclusive/everybody gets a blue ribbon mindset.

you're not wrong.
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
41023 posts
Posted on 11/29/23 at 8:19 am to
My experience as a Marine officer with other officers who were former enlisted was they were either really good or really turrible. Not much middle ground. But the good ones were great.
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
47583 posts
Posted on 11/29/23 at 9:04 am to
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The guy that put out the tweets seems completely out of touch and has no clue what a good officer would look like.



An officer, out of touch? Ya don’t say!



The guy who put out the tweet was a corporal.
Posted by artompkins
Orange Beach, Al
Member since May 2010
6372 posts
Posted on 11/29/23 at 9:36 am to
Many of the Corp finest officers were prior enlisted including one of our greatest commandants ever, Gen Al Gray. The man who brought the warrior mentality back and threw the "C" uniform back in wall lockers and made Cammies the uniform of the day again.
This post was edited on 11/29/23 at 9:38 am
Posted by Sam Quint
Member since Sep 2022
8886 posts
Posted on 11/29/23 at 9:40 am to
Al Gray was the fricking man. we'll never see Commandants like that ever again.
Posted by artompkins
Orange Beach, Al
Member since May 2010
6372 posts
Posted on 11/29/23 at 9:52 am to
Ain't that the truth. When I was at Marine Barracks, HMX1 the presidential security detail, I was around him a lot. Always punched everyone in the chest, even women lol.all Marines were equal in his eyes.
Posted by TheFonz
Somewhere in Louisiana
Member since Jul 2016
23278 posts
Posted on 11/29/23 at 10:00 am to
When I was going through ROTC at LSU, we were told two things:

1.) Listen to your NCO's - they know what's what in regard to what is going on within your unit.
2.) Don't expect any kind of respect until you are at least a Captain. Butter bars are shite stains.

Snooks must think he is Prussian or something.
This post was edited on 11/29/23 at 10:02 am
Posted by Sam Quint
Member since Sep 2022
8886 posts
Posted on 11/29/23 at 10:05 am to
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1.) Listen to your NCO's - they know what's what in regard to what is going on within your unit.

this is good advice.
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2.) Don't expect any kind of respect until you are at least a Captain. Butter bars are shite stains.

this is complete horseshite.
Posted by OU812ME2
Earth
Member since Jun 2021
1369 posts
Posted on 11/29/23 at 10:16 am to
The only officers I knew that were worth a shite were mustangs or Warrant officers. That doesn't mean there weren't plenty of douchebags trying to make life hard with their dumb ideas with their whole 1.5 yrs in the service experience.

I bet this guy got put in his place by a mustang after he tried some dumbass thing he learned in college. Time in means more than rank most of the time.
Posted by DesScorp
Alabama
Member since Sep 2017
10311 posts
Posted on 11/29/23 at 10:57 am to
In the same spirit, an oldie but a goodie from the Naval Institute about the erosion of officer status since WWII. USNI reprints this piece every few years for a new generation of officers:

Special Trust and Confidence

quote:

At naked fundamentals, egalitarianism and the concept of an officer corps are irreconcilable. Egalitarianism attacks all distinctions, particularly distinctions of rank. Egalitarianism attempts to deny the underlying superior individual qualities of which rank is, or should be, the earned reward. Egalitarianism is the enemy of the special responsibilities and, even more so, of the special privileges of leadership.
Posted by DesScorp
Alabama
Member since Sep 2017
10311 posts
Posted on 11/29/23 at 11:02 am to
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Al Gray was the fricking man. we'll never see Commandants like that ever again.


An argument could be made that the modern USMC is Gray’s creation. Everything from doctrine to Marine Corps University had its genesis in his administration. The singular drive to adopt the Osprey and integrate VSTOL into every aspect of Infantry operations came from him as well.
Posted by TheFonz
Somewhere in Louisiana
Member since Jul 2016
23278 posts
Posted on 11/29/23 at 11:04 am to
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2.) Don't expect any kind of respect until you are at least a Captain. Butter bars are shite stains.

this is complete horseshite.


I guess I should put a little extra in here. What they were basically saying to us was "don't walk in swinging your dick." I'm sure there are plenty of Second Lieutenants that earn respect; too many though just expect it.
Posted by El Segundo Guy
1-866-DHS-2-ICE
Member since Aug 2014
11650 posts
Posted on 11/29/23 at 11:05 am to
I was an enlisted First Sergeant in a Combat Arms company. I served with officers from West Point, from ROTC and from OCS. I didn't give a shite where they came from.

I didn't ever have any issues with any company or field grade officers in over 20 years.

Now I had a deep dislike from when I knew (back then) BG Honore the DCG of the 1st Cavalry Division in Ft Hood circa 1998 or 99. That Louisiana baw was a 100% prick.
Posted by DesScorp
Alabama
Member since Sep 2017
10311 posts
Posted on 11/29/23 at 11:05 am to
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My experience as a Marine officer with other officers who were former enlisted was they were either really good or really turrible. Not much middle ground. But the good ones were great.


Are we talking full line officers here, or LDO’s or Warrants, like Infantry Weapons Officers?
Posted by Mid Iowa Tiger
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Member since Feb 2008
24847 posts
Posted on 11/29/23 at 11:14 am to
Most of the better officers I served with were mustangs.

The old school, officers are nobility attitude is more British than American.

Frick that dude.
Posted by Sam Quint
Member since Sep 2022
8886 posts
Posted on 11/29/23 at 11:28 am to
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An argument could be made that the modern USMC is Gray’s creation. Everything from doctrine to Marine Corps University had its genesis in his administration. The singular drive to adopt the Osprey and integrate VSTOL into every aspect of Infantry operations came from him as well.

I would give that honor to USAF Col John Boyd.
Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
Member since Sep 2020
43337 posts
Posted on 11/29/23 at 11:37 am to
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I’d argue that we shouldn’t allow you to be an officer unless you’ve served as an enlisted member. Even Academy graduates should be required to serve 2 years first before being eligible to be an officer

So you want to deplete the ROTC pipeline and thus, deplete the pool of qualified candidates to be officers?

You can't be this dumb.
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
41023 posts
Posted on 11/29/23 at 3:54 pm to
Full line officers
Posted by OchoDedos
Republic of Texas
Member since Oct 2014
39931 posts
Posted on 11/29/23 at 4:24 pm to
Marines doesn't need Mustangs, that's what WO's are for.
Posted by lsucoonass
shreveport and east texas
Member since Nov 2003
70012 posts
Posted on 11/29/23 at 5:39 pm to
I knew I should have attempted to be a CWO especially a 4 or 5
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