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Northshore Aggie
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re: Marine officer shows how to win friends and influence people
Yes. I don't think the whole story is bullshite. But I think he has embellished it greatly over the years in books and on podcasts.


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Burt Orangello
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re: Marine officer shows how to win friends and influence people
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Ivan Snook


He demands free usage of the public shooting range, saying, "I wrote a blank check to protect your right to go to that range. The least you can do is pay your $10 and not complain about it."





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Scuttle But
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re: Marine officer shows how to win friends and influence people
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There is a significantly degraded respect for the officer corps in general, but we officers are to blame for it, not enlisted troops.


It has everything to do with the Careerism CYA attitude and nothing to do with an officer's background.


Northshore Aggie
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re: Marine officer shows how to win friends and influence people
Yep.


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deltaland
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re: Marine officer shows how to win friends and influence people
I’d argue that we shouldn’t allow you to be an officer unless you’ve served as an enlisted member. Even Academy graduates should be required to serve 2 years first before being eligible to be an officer


Mr Breeze
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re: Marine officer shows how to win friends and influence people
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“I can’t imagine being at a party or some other public gathering discussing my graduate school research analyzing small unit group psychology, veteran suicide and the causes of war atrocities with Sigmund Freud’s psychoanalytic theory and Axel Honneth’s recognition theory, and then having a friend of a friend with no background in philosophy say to me in front of everybody: ‘Wow, that’s f—ing stupid. You’re a real dumbass,’”

The only part of this he got correct was "Wow, that's fricking stupid. You're a real dumbass."

Mustangs are among the most respected officers in the Marine Corps. I served under one who was exemplary in all respects.

This guy sounds like he's got an inferiority complex comparing himself to the ring knockers.


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SteelerBravesDawg
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re: Marine officer shows how to win friends and influence people
This guy deserves every bit of blowback that he's getting.

What an out-of-touch, Napoleonic moron.
This post was edited on 11/28 at 8:59 pm


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SteelerBravesDawg
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re: Marine officer shows how to win friends and influence people
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Marine veteran Ivan Snook

That's momentoftruth87.


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Obtuse1
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re: Marine officer shows how to win friends and influence people
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I’d argue that we shouldn’t allow you to be an officer unless you’ve served as an enlisted member. Even Academy graduates should be required to serve 2 years first before being eligible to be an officer



That would reduce the ROTC pipeline by 70% or more.


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ABearsFanNMS
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re: Marine officer shows how to win friends and influence people
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I’d argue that we shouldn’t allow you to be an officer unless you’ve served as an enlisted member. Even Academy graduates should be required to serve 2 years first before being eligible to be an officer


That statement is about as stupid as the idiot elitists that got this thread started!


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Teufelhunden
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re: Marine officer shows how to win friends and influence people
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I laugh when I get military recruiting offers these days


Let me guess, they wanted you to be a SEAL


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JAXTiger16
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re: Marine officer shows how to win friends and influence people
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I laugh when I get military recruiting offers these days


That mentality right there is the reason our military is in the current situation it’s in. Not saying you have to join, but maybe if the right people join and get into leadership positions we can get back on the right path.


POTUS2024
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re: Marine officer shows how to win friends and influence people
If this guy still has a commission, when I'm elected, he won't have it any longer.

The main problem with the officer corps is the academies. There are no good officers created at any of our academies. Good officers that emerge from the academies are that way in spite of the academies.

There is an extreme level of bias among academy grads and every person of every background in the military can see it - and it's a negative impact on morale.

We need to trim the academies by at least 50% and pull more top performers from the enlisted side for OCS and have a massive purge at the top levels. The ratio of flag officers to others is obscene. Every military in history that has done this has collapsed and failed miserably. We also need slower promotion timelines and roll down in many positions.

The most disheartening thing I saw in the military, with regard to personnel, was that the problems people thought were relegated to the officer corps started showing up on the senior enlisted side. Why did this happen? Because it was happening on the officer side.

Our military personnel system is broken and it's been broken for a long time. In WWII, scores of commanders got fired, re-assigned, then put back into command a second time. This was a good system. In Vietnam, 'ticket punching' became a thing and removal became a career killer so removal became exceedingly rare. Bad commanders were allowed to remain in place and consequences were bad.

A lot of our current problems were initiated by the 'up or out' system which was created with zero regard for leadership evaluation, but instead looked at manpower planning. It failed at both.


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Clark14
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re: Marine officer shows how to win friends and influence people
A friend of mine was a marine in Vietnam and one of these smart college officers joined them in the field. They were walking down a trail behind the lead man and walked through a mud hole, the smart bastard walked around the mud hole and tripped a mine that killed his brilliant arse and wounded 3 others including my friend.

At least this college educated leader didn’t get his boots dirty I guess.


biglego
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re: Marine officer shows how to win friends and influence people
It doesn’t matter if an officer is a Mustang or not. What matters is if the officer is trans.


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Mr. Misanthrope
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re: Marine officer shows how to win friends and influence people
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It has everything to do with the Careerism CYA attitude and nothing to do with an officer's background.

If you read Anthony Herbert’s Soldier and David Hackworth’s About Face, I believe you’ll find the similarities striking, particularly in the weakness in command above both Herbert and Hackworth, and perfect examples of the careerism and CYA attitude you referenced in your post.

I found the similarities in the books so striking, particularly as regards the “bad officers”, that I was unsure if one man hadn’t plagiarized the other.


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Northshore Aggie
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re: Marine officer shows how to win friends and influence people
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I’d argue that we shouldn’t allow you to be an officer unless you’ve served as an enlisted member

Equally dumb hot take.


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Northshore Aggie
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re: Marine officer shows how to win friends and influence people
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That mentality right there is the reason our military is in the current situation it’s in.

You've got it backwards. The current situation our military is in is the reason for that mentality


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Northshore Aggie
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re: Marine officer shows how to win friends and influence people
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A friend of mine was a marine in Vietnam and one of these smart college officers joined them in the field. They were walking down a trail behind the lead man and walked through a mud hole, the smart bastard walked around the mud hole and tripped a mine that killed his brilliant arse and wounded 3 others including my friend. At least this college educated leader didn’t get his boots dirty I guess.

For every stupid, anecdotal "stupid Lieutenant" story like this I can give you ten stories of Marine lieutenants doing epically heroic stuff for their Marines.

Are there bad lieutenants? Sure. There are morons at every rank. But Marine lieutenants, especially in the infantry, are some of the most dedicated, hardworking, and intelligent men we have.


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Swamp Angel
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re: Marine officer shows how to win friends and influence people
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I would also submit that these days, the majority of non-woke company grade officers are the ones being pulled from the enlisted ranks.


Unfortunately, it appears that those company grade officers who share that "woke" mentality are the ones who will more than likely make field grade officers if our military branches continue this slide toward the all inclusive/everybody gets a blue ribbon mindset.

Thanks for your service, Northshore.


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