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re: Mandatory spay and neuter for all dogs and cats except for licensed breeders?
Posted on 1/4/21 at 1:56 pm to bhtigerfan
Posted on 1/4/21 at 1:56 pm to bhtigerfan
quote:exactly
Just because your solution is moronic doesn't mean people in this thread don't agree that there is a problem.
quote:stupid,
How is it moronic? Is mandatory pet vaccinations moronic?
idea is stupid af.
brah, let it go: you want more government. as a dog trainer of working dogs and a dog lover, your "solution" of enacting a law that incapacitates my ability to train, and sometimes breed, my working dogs as i (and millions of others just like myself) see fit, and doing it without the crushing regulatory policies of a bill that would inevitably be a thousand pages long and chock full of pork spending with a $100 million going into cultural appropriation studies in the middle east would do nothing except to line the pockets of puppy mills and politicians and stifle progress of the very sector of society it deems as being "fixed" after the bill passes.
but you'd be ecstatic because, "muuuh, the senators saved us from the pit bulls."
stop being such a goddamned imbecile: pit bulls suck and i hate them as a breed and (most of the time) their owners too. regardless, i and hundreds of millions of other don't need anymore of you and your beloved government's shite laws suffocating our rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, nor do my working dogs need it either.
so frick your shitty idea for more ways to be fined and put in jail by a broken, shitty government and frick your shitty thread too you hard-headed moron.
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Posted on 1/4/21 at 2:02 pm to Mid Iowa Tiger
quote:Do you let the government tell you to vaccinate your dog? It’s not preventing you from breeding it, it just ensures that you’re a responsible breeder.
No way in hell I am going to let the government tell me if I can or can't breed a dog.
This post was edited on 1/4/21 at 2:05 pm
Posted on 1/4/21 at 2:09 pm to Bigbee Hills
quote:Dude, I’m not talking about some national law and a new 3-letter agency to oversee it. Mostly municipalities and counties.
brah, let it go: you want more government. as a dog trainer of working dogs and a dog lover, your "solution" of enacting a law that incapacitates my ability to train, and sometimes breed, my working dogs as i (and millions of others just like myself) see fit, and doing it without the crushing regulatory policies of a bill that would inevitably be a thousand pages long and chock full of pork spending with a $100 million going into cultural appropriation studies in the middle east would do nothing except to line the pockets of puppy mills and politicians and stifle progress of the very sector of society it deems as being "fixed" after the bill passes.
It’s not some draconian law, it’s just to stop unwanted dog and cat litters that eventually have to be euthanized or live a shitty life as a mongrel scavenging for food in trash cans. I’m not trying to promote shitty puppy mills or stop people from breeding their own pets, just stop the unwanted pregnancies and the millions of euthanizations each year.
This post was edited on 1/4/21 at 2:10 pm
Posted on 1/4/21 at 2:09 pm to bhtigerfan
quote:
So how much does a pet license cost?
Licensing Info & Fees
1 YR Altered (spayed/neutered): $10.00
1 YR Altered - Senior: $5
3 YR Altered: $27.00
3 YR Altered - Senior: $13.50
1 YR Unaltered: $60.00
quote:
Do they come and take your dog if you don’t renew it?
If Animal Services is already out due to a related issue they'll hit you with a fine.
Posted on 1/4/21 at 2:11 pm to bhtigerfan
You’ve managed to show your idiocy within the last couple of hours.
You’ve just given licensed breeders way too much power. Many of these places are already run by shitbags. Who is going to regulate this? We have much bigger issues that need funding right now.
It sucks that lowlife people let their dogs run rampant and reproduce. That’s more of an issue with the people that own them. Guess what, those people aren’t going to go to a licensed breeder to get their dog.
You’ve also just created an underground market for dogs that are not fixed. You’ve created a market for people to breed their own dogs without paying as well.
All your plan does is line the pockets of some ‘licensed’ breeders.
quote:
Most municipalities already require vaccinations for pets, so why not spay and neuter also? Only licensed breeders would be able to keep dogs and cats that are not sterilized.
You’ve just given licensed breeders way too much power. Many of these places are already run by shitbags. Who is going to regulate this? We have much bigger issues that need funding right now.
It sucks that lowlife people let their dogs run rampant and reproduce. That’s more of an issue with the people that own them. Guess what, those people aren’t going to go to a licensed breeder to get their dog.
You’ve also just created an underground market for dogs that are not fixed. You’ve created a market for people to breed their own dogs without paying as well.
All your plan does is line the pockets of some ‘licensed’ breeders.
Posted on 1/4/21 at 2:13 pm to BluegrassBelle
quote:Ah, they charge more if the pet isn’t sterilized. Good idea.
Licensing Info & Fees
1 YR Altered (spayed/neutered): $10.00
1 YR Altered - Senior: $5
3 YR Altered: $27.00
3 YR Altered - Senior: $13.50
1 YR Unaltered: $60.00
Has this reduced the number of unwanted litters?
Posted on 1/4/21 at 2:14 pm to bhtigerfan
quote:
What license?
A bonny license.
The sign of rrrrrrrrrrespectability.
Posted on 1/4/21 at 2:17 pm to TexasTiger08
quote:Dude, anyone could get a “breeders license.” Bubba could get one to breed his lab. Debbie could get one to breed her Pomeranian.
You’ve just given licensed breeders way too much power.
Make the fee affordable for those who want to breed a dog once, occasionally or whenever.
I’m not defending puppy mills or breeders for the millionth fricking time!
This post was edited on 1/4/21 at 2:19 pm
Posted on 1/4/21 at 2:36 pm to bhtigerfan
quote:
Do you let the government tell you to vaccinate your dog?
No.
quote:
It’s not preventing you from breeding it, it just ensures that you’re a responsible breeder.
Truly not the government's role. At all. Full stop.
Posted on 1/4/21 at 2:46 pm to Mid Iowa Tiger
quote:So your dogs aren’t vaccinated?
Do you let the government tell you to vaccinate your dog?
No.
quote:But it’s the government’s job to run and pay for the animal shelters to house and euthanize these unwanted pets?
Truly not the government's role. At all. Full stop.
Dude, I hate big government, but some laws are necessary.
Posted on 1/4/21 at 3:17 pm to bhtigerfan
quote:
So your dogs aren’t vaccinated?
None of your or the government's business. The AKC that I choose to be associated with determines what my dogs need and I comply with field trial rules due to wanting to be part of the FCs.
quote:
But it’s the government’s job to run and pay for the animal shelters to house and euthanize these unwanted pets?
No. They choose to be in some cases in others they choose to let organizations like Humane Society take care of it.
Posted on 1/4/21 at 3:43 pm to bhtigerfan
quote:
Dude, anyone could get a “breeders license.” Bubba could get one to breed his lab.
Then what are you accomplishing? Bubba will get one and let his dogs screw whatever pooch they want. All you are doing is making people who let their dogs run wild pay a few bucks to let their dogs run wild. And most won’t pay unless code enforcement in that particular town is having a slow day.
Posted on 1/4/21 at 3:52 pm to bhtigerfan
No, mandatory anything and prohibitions are authoritarian and don't work.
The problem with Pits is not the dog, it's the owners. We can't legislate against being stupid and 75% of people who have a pit bull want to be a pit bull breeder so you end up with a bunch of back yard breeder pit bulls. When I had Bulldog I couldn't take her out without someone approaching me about wanting to breed her. Sure, I want your back yard pit breeding with my bulldog from the breeders who supplied the last Miss State mascot (at the time). I had her fixed pretty young, 6 months, even though I had full "breeding rights" with my paperwork, I don't think I ever even registered her as an owner, she whas registered as a puppy with all the champions and what not listed. I only cared that we found a good breeder who took care of their dogs and looked at things like longevity and disease free lineage in their breeding along with the standard traits.
The problem with Pits is not the dog, it's the owners. We can't legislate against being stupid and 75% of people who have a pit bull want to be a pit bull breeder so you end up with a bunch of back yard breeder pit bulls. When I had Bulldog I couldn't take her out without someone approaching me about wanting to breed her. Sure, I want your back yard pit breeding with my bulldog from the breeders who supplied the last Miss State mascot (at the time). I had her fixed pretty young, 6 months, even though I had full "breeding rights" with my paperwork, I don't think I ever even registered her as an owner, she whas registered as a puppy with all the champions and what not listed. I only cared that we found a good breeder who took care of their dogs and looked at things like longevity and disease free lineage in their breeding along with the standard traits.
Posted on 1/4/21 at 3:52 pm to armsdealer
quote:
The problem with Pits is not the dog
Wrong
Posted on 1/4/21 at 4:40 pm to armsdealer
quote:Well what we’re doing now is working so fricking well, let’s just continue doing nothing.
No, mandatory anything and prohibitions are authoritarian and don't work.
quote:
Each year, approximately 1.5 million shelter animals are euthanized (670,000 dogs and 860,000 cats).
Posted on 1/4/21 at 4:52 pm to armsdealer
quote:
No, mandatory anything and prohibitions are authoritarian and don't work.
bullshite. These laws work well in other states. My wife and I foster dogs, I have personally flown 6 dogs to the Northeast. The rescue groups regularly send transports with 10-15 dogs there and the midwest. Because they don't have random mutts roaming the streets like we do.
Would it stop 100% of backyard breeding and oops litters? Of course not. But it would certainly reduce them by a large amount.
Posted on 1/4/21 at 5:47 pm to Barstools
quote:From your article idiot.
Try using your noggin a little bit here.
petco supplier gassing pets
But but, why would anyone kill their own product?
fricking moron
quote:Fail.
Instead, workers piled dozens of animals — ranging from rats and gerbils to guinea pigs and even a rabbit
Posted on 1/4/21 at 5:49 pm to RonFNSwanson
quote:Thank you.
bullshite. These laws work well in other states. My wife and I foster dogs, I have personally flown 6 dogs to the Northeast. The rescue groups regularly send transports with 10-15 dogs there and the midwest. Because they don't have random mutts roaming the streets like we do.
Would it stop 100% of backyard breeding and oops litters? Of course not. But it would certainly reduce them by a large amount.
Posted on 1/4/21 at 6:28 pm to Aspercel
quote:
The OT will not agree. They are still upset that I gelded my horse.
But... I agree
But you did that by choice, not government mandate. And the difference between a stallion and an intact dog is immeasurable. You know this.
Posted on 1/4/21 at 7:13 pm to bhtigerfan
Um, no. Isn’t there a facet of your own life where you can feel power?
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