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re: LSP Trooper George Baker has died after being injured in the line of duty
Posted on 5/24/20 at 6:25 pm to BregmansWheelbarrow
Posted on 5/24/20 at 6:25 pm to BregmansWheelbarrow
I understand that legally, they are responsible for killing the Trooper. I'm sure they'll be charged as such. However, the legal reality is a little bit murkier. I have minimal sympathy for the occupants of the fleeing vehicle. I'm just sorry it came to this. It was all very unnecessary.
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Posted on 5/24/20 at 6:35 pm to White Roach
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They'll be "catching" more than manslaughter.
Expect a lawsuit against the Hammond Police Dept. and the officer driving the car that hit the Troopers based upon what I have heard about the way it happened.
Posted on 5/24/20 at 6:39 pm to Pico de Gallo
Very sad to hear this. Prayers, respects, and condolences to him, family, coworkers and friends.
Posted on 5/24/20 at 6:40 pm to BregmansWheelbarrow
quote:I'll probably get a bunch of downvotes for this, but I have mixed feeling about that being a murder charge.
Yep. It’s felony murder, and this is basically a textbook scenario.
Posted on 5/24/20 at 6:41 pm to SM6
One would assume so
However these were the drivers of the suspicious vehicle that started the hot pursuit
Doesn’t excuse the fact that Hammond police hit the troopers though
However these were the drivers of the suspicious vehicle that started the hot pursuit
Doesn’t excuse the fact that Hammond police hit the troopers though
Posted on 5/24/20 at 6:49 pm to Ponchy Tiger
I only know what I've read about the accident, but it's pretty clear that somebody fricked up. I assume that the Troopers called out that they deploying a spike strip that, obviously, needed to be retrieved before pursuing units could pass that area. How the HPD missed the call and didn't see the Troopers remains to be explained.
Posted on 5/24/20 at 6:55 pm to BregmansWheelbarrow
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Yep. It’s felony murder, and this is basically a textbook scenario.
Textbook for the driver but less textbook for the passenger. Need more facts as to what the predicate felony or felonies are. You have to show intent to commit the predicate felony. The driver you could get under aggravated flight but they probably need another felony to charge the passenger for felony murder.
Posted on 5/24/20 at 7:02 pm to White Roach
It's Louisiana so the local law enforcement agencies kind of run things so I expect the suspects will get a murder charge pinned on them - but I'm not seeing how the murder charge makes sense.
It's reasonable to believe that running from the police may endanger lives as they are driving at high speeds, but it doesn't seem reasonable that the police will run over each other while picking up equipment. Seems like the police should be trained better than this.
It really sucks for the Trooper and his family either way though. I'm guessing this is probably related to drugs somehow. We're getting these officers to fight a ridiculous war.
It's reasonable to believe that running from the police may endanger lives as they are driving at high speeds, but it doesn't seem reasonable that the police will run over each other while picking up equipment. Seems like the police should be trained better than this.
It really sucks for the Trooper and his family either way though. I'm guessing this is probably related to drugs somehow. We're getting these officers to fight a ridiculous war.
This post was edited on 5/24/20 at 7:07 pm
Posted on 5/24/20 at 7:09 pm to Pico de Gallo
Prayers for the fallen.
Aggravated flight is the only appropriate criminal charge for the driver of the vehicle. Tragic as it was, the only liability the driver holds for the death of the Trooper will be civil in nature.
There are implied risk in law enforcement. If an officer or agency takes a risk in their tactics and subsequently is killed, the pursuing felon isn’t criminally responsible,
Aggravated flight is the only appropriate criminal charge for the driver of the vehicle. Tragic as it was, the only liability the driver holds for the death of the Trooper will be civil in nature.
There are implied risk in law enforcement. If an officer or agency takes a risk in their tactics and subsequently is killed, the pursuing felon isn’t criminally responsible,
This post was edited on 5/24/20 at 7:33 pm
Posted on 5/24/20 at 7:38 pm to jnethe1
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Not one white person will make up any excuses for them, or defend them in any way. Because we believe in consequences. Throw the damn book at them and send em away
Extenuating circumstances here. Not disparaging Trooper Baker in any manner, but the Hammond PD guy fricked up.
Posted on 5/24/20 at 8:24 pm to Obtuse1
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The driver you could get under aggravated flight but they probably need another felony to charge the passenger for felony murder.
It’ll be interesting. He probably wouldn’t have been charged at all if he hadn’t ran at the end of the chase. And he got away...I guess that’s where the obstruction charge comes from. The driver was charged with possession and intent to distribute narcotics, so who knows what the driver got away with and ditched that the cops didn’t find.
So I guess it’s either, do you charge him for the felony murder and maybe only give him the opportunity to plead it down, or do you reward him for getting away? I also have a hard time that an 18 year old was responsible for that laundry list of offenses and the 26 year old was just along for the ride. He’s an adult, but that’s a dubious proposition to me.
This post was edited on 5/24/20 at 9:06 pm
Posted on 5/24/20 at 8:28 pm to Pico de Gallo
Another unfortunate casualty of America’s morbid obsession with criminalizing vice.
Posted on 5/24/20 at 8:28 pm to The People
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Tragic as it was, the only liability the driver holds for the death of the Trooper will be civil in nature.
There are implied risk in law enforcement. If an officer or agency takes a risk in their tactics and subsequently is killed, the pursuing felon isn’t criminally responsible
That's simply not true.
Posted on 5/24/20 at 8:37 pm to toosleaux
I thought more and more departments have been moving towards a no high speed chase policy. Probably would have saved this troopers life.
Posted on 5/24/20 at 9:06 pm to The People
Not accurate. Had the police shot and killed the driver, passenger would be charged with homicide. If you break the law and a death occurs, they tack that on as well. Assuming it’s felonious
Posted on 5/24/20 at 9:10 pm to BregmansWheelbarrow
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. Anyone killed in the commission of a felony is 100% all on you.
Ought to be the same for the criminal. You get hurt or killed while committing a crime(felony), tough.
Posted on 5/24/20 at 9:16 pm to Pico de Gallo
Rest now, Hero.
Posted on 5/24/20 at 9:17 pm to BregmansWheelbarrow
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It’ll be interesting. He probably wouldn’t have been charged at all if he hadn’t ran at the end of the chase. And he got away...I guess that’s where the obstruction charge comes from. The driver was charged with possession and intent to distribute narcotics, so who knows what the driver got away with and ditched that the cops didn’t find.
So I guess it’s either, do you charge him for the felony murder and maybe only give him the opportunity to plead it down, or do you reward him for getting away? I also have a hard time that an 18 year old was responsible for that laundry list of offenses and the 26 year old was just along for the ride. He’s an adult, but that’s a dubious proposition to me.
Like I said the driver is fairly straight forward. Running on foot is usually a misdemeanor unless compounded somehow. While unlikely it could be the passenger just got a ride and had no idea the driver was holding felony weight. Now if they have evidence the passenger was the one throwing the drugs out the window then it becomes easier to prove it was his drugs.
Posted on 5/24/20 at 9:26 pm to TaderSalad
Can you guys take your derailment to another thread?
K. Thanks.
K. Thanks.
Posted on 5/24/20 at 9:28 pm to brass2mouth
LINK
Looks like the 18 yr old has about 10 counts filed against him.
Looks like the 18 yr old has about 10 counts filed against him.
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