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re: Louisiana taking another stab at making kratom illegal to appease Big Pharma

Posted on 8/7/19 at 8:17 pm to
Posted by mindbreaker
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
7915 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 8:17 pm to
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Kratom is some nasty shite still. I dont think anything should be illegal, but it's not exactly safe either.



According to what I have yet to see anything besides rhetoric that says this.
Posted by Ping Pong
LSU and UVA alum
Member since Aug 2014
6247 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 8:29 pm to
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And the claims by said manufacturers not subject to any review or approval by the FDA... 



No one is more honest than the FDA...
This post was edited on 8/8/19 at 12:25 pm
Posted by EarlyCuyler3
Appalachia
Member since Nov 2017
27290 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 8:39 pm to
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According to what I have yet to see anything besides rhetoric that says this.


Well I've detoxed people from it, so I've seen it in person. It isn't pretty.
Posted by loopback
Member since Jul 2011
5017 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 8:54 pm to
Explain please, I'm interested to know what a detox is like, and can you prove the detox was purely from Kratom only or were other drugs involved as well?
Posted by AMS
Member since Apr 2016
6537 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 8:58 pm to
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How is marijuana a schedule 1 (no medical use) when marijuana is medicinal in most states.


Dr.s cant write an Rx for marijuana as it is schedule 1. They can basically recommend you are exempted from the law to buy it tho. I think its kinda like if your doctor writes a note you have a small bladder or a UTI or something you may be able to get out of a public urination charge.

Some states ignore federal law (thankfully) and allow people to buy it, if they are recommended to be able to buy it.
Posted by mindbreaker
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
7915 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 9:05 pm to
Random dude on internet says he's "detoxed" people from a plant. Yep totally believable I'm sure its only thing they were on.
Posted by EarlyCuyler3
Appalachia
Member since Nov 2017
27290 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 9:13 pm to
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Explain please, I'm interested to know what a detox is like, and can you prove the detox was purely from Kratom only or were other drugs involved as well?


I can't prove anything. As far as I remember, they were just using kratom. It's miserable. You get the same aches, chills, and everything else you get from opiates. But all you can do for kratom is basically give them clonidine and robaxin and say hang in there. There's no point in introducing subutex or suboxone into the equation.
Posted by EarlyCuyler3
Appalachia
Member since Nov 2017
27290 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 9:13 pm to
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Random dude on internet says he's "detoxed" people from a plant. Yep totally believable I'm sure its only thing they were on.


Hey, I'm all for it being legal. Go knock your socks off dude.
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
122147 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 9:24 pm to
Republicans always want less government until it comes to their best interest. Sports gambling.. It was mostly the North Louisiana republicans who voted against it.

Any drug that could be a cheaper and better option than a drug that is sold by a pharmaceutical company.. They want it illegal. But when campaign time comes around.. "Im for less government"..

Posted by Cracker
in a box
Member since Nov 2009
19268 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 9:37 pm to
Hey junkie
The pharma industry wants you to quit suing them for what they have already done. Yeah make them exempt & they will get you through the clinical trials.
Posted by whit
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
11073 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 9:48 pm to
When I was in rehab at the beginning of this year there was 4 people in there for kratom.
Posted by Sweep Da Leg
Member since Sep 2013
3579 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 10:38 pm to
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knew someone with an addiction that beat it with Kratom.


THIS!! I know many people who have used this to beat opiate and alcohol addiction and a couple that beat Xanax addictions with it. I’ve used it myself for pain and some times to relax at night. I’ve taken way too much before and it only made me a little nauseous and/or sleep. I don’t believe for a second that anyone has died from an overdose of kratom by itself.
Similar to CBD, it has and still for help many who’d rather not poison themselves with opiates, alcohol, adderall, etc.
if you actually research kratom a bit you’ll see there are many benefits. I trust it more than the crap in energy drinks. I’ve taken it daily for months and then quit for a while. I’m a little sleepy the first day but fine the next. Quitting coffee was harder than kratom.
My mom has been on opiates for a couple years from knee replacement and then a back surgery and Bali kratom has been amazing in helping her stop taking them including minimizing withdrawals.

Also know many veterans who’ve taken it along with cbd to help with anxiety, ptsd, and pain and they’ve gotten better results than the prescription drugs being pushed on them. This is all on big pharmaceutical companies being threatened as well as the money pol’s receive from them.

Tell me, anyone, that can name a time when they noticed/saw an eeked out person that was on kratom? Bet you can’t. It doesn’t mess you up like that. But I’m sure everyone has seen or knows what people high or drunk on drugs and booze looks like.

This post was edited on 8/7/19 at 10:45 pm
Posted by Sweep Da Leg
Member since Sep 2013
3579 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 10:51 pm to
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Well I've detoxed people from it, so I've seen it in person. It isn't pretty.


I call complete bullshite on this. I’ve had periods where I took lots and lots of it and when I quit it did nothing of the sort. Know other people who have as well and after a day or two are fine. The only withdrawal symptoms have been a little groggy for a day or two. They had to be on something else. As someone else already said you don’t buy at a gas station but online. He’ll Ra Shop has good quality as well.
Posted by MrLSU
Yellowstone, Val d'isere
Member since Jan 2004
29730 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 10:55 pm to
This stuff sounds really dangerous to those who chew it every day for 18 years!

"The report showed that some people addicted to the herbal substance chewed it every day for an average of 18 years. Long-term kratom use in this research led to weight loss, anorexia, skin darkening, insomnia and constipation."
Posted by Mantard
A Better Place
Member since Nov 2011
122 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 11:06 pm to
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weight loss, anorexia, skin darkening, insomnia and constipation."

I think i need to start taking Kratom...less appetite with weight loss, more energy, and no diarrhea? Where is the best place to order online?
Posted by Melvin
Member since Apr 2011
23535 posts
Posted on 8/7/19 at 11:13 pm to
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Republicans always want less government until it comes to their best interest. Sports gambling.. It was mostly the North Louisiana republicans who voted against it. Any drug that could be a cheaper and better option than a drug that is sold by a pharmaceutical company.. They want it illegal. But when campaign time comes around.. "Im for less government"..
Posted by supadave3
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2005
32168 posts
Posted on 8/8/19 at 12:13 am to
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When I was in rehab at the beginning of this year there was 4 people in there for kratom.


Pudgy little nerdy kid who’s dad was a pharmacist?
This post was edited on 8/8/19 at 12:16 am
Posted by WhiskerBiscuitSlayer
Your Mom’s Sperm Donor
Member since Jan 2013
13900 posts
Posted on 8/8/19 at 2:13 am to
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let me know when you find someone that’s buying And using Kratom because they are actually trying to treat pain


I know of several former opiate addicts that use it. It doesn't get them high, it just relieves the withdrawal symptoms(pain and cravings) allowing them to either taper off or quit cold turkey.
Posted by EarlyCuyler3
Appalachia
Member since Nov 2017
27290 posts
Posted on 8/8/19 at 6:31 am to
You can call whatever you like. I've seen it, but I'm all for you doing whatever you want. You're naive though if you think there aren't any downsides to it.
Posted by Ed Osteen
Member since Oct 2007
59237 posts
Posted on 8/8/19 at 6:42 am to
The amount of opiate addicts that relapse from
Trying out Kratom is monstrous. There’s even drug tests for it on multi panel kits. I would tell opiate people to stay far away from Kratom
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