re: Let's have a nice American Civil War argument

You beat me to it

Pretty embarassing how many people want to claim that slavery wasn't even a factor.

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What???? Yes they were. What, are you trying to say they were fighting for "state's rights"? The "states rights" idea is completely wrong. The states rights argument is centered around the state's right to choose to have slavery. The states didn't want to give up slavery for economic reasons (plantation labor) and because they felt they were racially superior to slaves. Many plantations couldn't afford to pay workers to perform the work needed to harvest the product and maintain anywhere near the same profit level. GTFO with the idea they weren't fighting for slavery. idk what your teachers were teaching you... and I was educated in the south... smh

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"There are few, I believe, in this enlightened age, who will not acknowledge that slavery as an institution is a moral and political evil." ~ Robert E. Lee

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"All that the South has ever desired was that the Union, as established by our forefathers, should be preserved, and that the government as originally organized should be administered in purity and truth." ~ Robert E. Lee

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"I have fought against the people of the North because I believed they were seeking to wrest from the South dearest rights. But I have never cherished toward them bitter or vindictive feelings. And have never seen the day when I did not pray for them." ~ Robert E. Lee

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Sure seems to me that from Lee’s perspective it wasn’t about slavery.

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The south wanted more of the federal dollars. The north viewed the south as a producer of raw goods

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True, I agree with you here. The civil war is a very complicated issue that came to boil on many issues. But the idea that it wasn't about slavery is asinine.

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Keep in mind 95% of the people located in the CSA were dirt poor

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I agree with you here also. However, part of this was due to the aristocratic attitude of plantation owners. This mentality still plagues southern politics to this day and hampers efforts to improve living conditions for people of lower socioeconomic classes "the good ole boy system"

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I do think Lincoln had a plan to improve living conditions in the south. But that was all gone when he was killed. His murder hurt the south more than the north.

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This is very true. His plan after the war was the South was not going to be punished and pillaged. When he was killed, the arse hats that wanted the South punished, pillaged everything they could and put Northerners in power. The ill feelings from this still linger. My family lost everything to carpetbaggers.

I have read some conspiracy theories that it was Lincoln rivals in the north that funded his assination. I kind of think it is plausible. No way those dumbasses got that close to him.

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And to my point. It wasn't purely a slavery issue as in freeing Africans. The corporation plantations located on the Mississippi river were in bed with the NE power brokers. The majority of AL, GA, SC, TN, etc were poor as shite, and wanted our stake. That is why you had large regions in AL that were on the union side.

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It's almost as if even the Southern leaders weren't fighting for slavery

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You've got to be pretty naive to believe this. Was slavery the only reason for secession and the war? Absolutely not. But to pretend as if it wasnt a factor let alone a major one is completely naive.

Yet Alabama, Texas, and Virginia all mentioned slavery in their Ordinances of Secession. Just because 2 people say it's not about slavery doesn't make it so.

Also, who fired the first shots?

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I live this myth that Lincoln was some civil rights pioneer. He was just as racist as anyone in the south, preached white supremacy.

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most people were at the time

the states have no rights to legalize marijuana because the north won the war. if the south won the war then the states would have the right to legalize marijuana.