re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

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this is the only response you get from the pro-war side

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The only people in this thread who are "pro-war" are the drive-by shitstains that giggle at the thought of Russia slaughtering Ukrainians due to their blind hatred of Biden.

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Amazing how many people want to believe a verifiably false fantasy about America being weak or beholden to some other dipshit country.

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This dustup has been a kick in the nuts for the "America is weak" crowd. The reason we are not weak is because of our defense spending.

If America stopped buying Chinese crap just say by 10% it would be Lord of the Flies times in China proper. They are dependent on our money.

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AKA, the Chamberlain Doctrine. And we all know where that led.

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Literally Putler.

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One of their most modern ships is now serving in their submarine fleet.

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The Moskva was an old ship, it was commissioned in 1983, and it had received few updates over the last 39 years.

That it was still in service points to the budgeting priorities in Russia, and the poverty Russia experienced in the 90s.

Of the three services, the navy is the lowest priority. And within the navy, the submarine fleet, which is important because of the nuclear triad, gets the first cut.

The Soviet Union spent their money the same way, but the economic collapse in the 90s, and the ensuing budget cuts, hollowed out the Russian fleet, the Moskva itself spent the decade out of commission, and the Russian government just stopped ordering large surface warfare vessels, spending what money it had on submarines instead.

It was the right decision, they preserved their submarine forces, and the industrial base to design and build them, but it was a trade off.

By the mid 2000s, the Russian surface fleet was much smaller than the one it had inherited after the breakup of the Soviet Union, and it’s ships were getting quite old. Worse for the Russians, they no longer had the mechanical ability to build large warships.

A major component of the Mistral deal with France (light carriers) was the technology exchange and training. The Russians weren’t just buying ships, they were buying the knowledge of how to build them.

The cancellation of the deal was setback for the Russians. It meant they had to rebuild their yards on their own, which was both more expensive, and a longer and harder process.

The Russians are rebuilding their surface fleet, now, three of the Admiral Gorshkov class, a modern frigate, have been completed. And their shipyards are recovering. But they need many more ships than they have, and it will be years before their forces can be considered healthy.

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The Moskva was an old ship, it was commissioned in 1983, and it had received few updates over the last 39 years.

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The Moskova underwent a refit from 1990 to 1998, and was recommissioned into the fleet in 2000.

Her sister ship, Marshal Ustinov, came out of refit in 2016, so she is more modern than the Moskova. However, the Ustinov is not deployed in the Black Sea Fleet.

Of the Black Sea fleet, there were 4 (now 3) primary surface combatants. The Moskova and three guided-missile frigates. The three smaller frigates are all newer than the Moskova.

The Moskova was the 3rd most modern large ship (Destroyers/Cruisers/Battle Cruisers) in the Russian navy.

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Thank you, OT, for this entertainment.

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You must have too much time on your hands if you have time to read everyone’s posts on a board you like to ridicule.

Melting hard in this thread. Some of you politards are so committed to your fantasies, you just can’t help but come here and bleed all over the thread.

Put a tampon in.

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