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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 5/17/22 at 12:48 pm to Tigeralum2008
Posted on 5/17/22 at 12:48 pm to Tigeralum2008
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Posted on 5/17/22 at 12:49 pm to OMLandshark
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OK, maybe I just misremembered it, but not being able to predict the target area is effectively the same thing right? Other of course than the fact you'd be able to get the President in a bunker in time in case it is heading to DC.
I editted my response with more detail
Posted on 5/17/22 at 12:49 pm to OMLandshark
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Because war = bad. Hospitals being firebombed is bad. But no one even seems remotely interested in coming to the table.
Yes, war is always bad. And those who aggressively engage in war, like Russia here, know that we believe that war is always bad. So Russia is trying to exploit your humanity by engaging in war and trying to coerce the Ukrainians and the rest of the world to allow them to conquer other countries using aggressive war, hoping that we will just let them do it to try to “make peace.”
There is a time for peace. But peace cannot exist when one nation aggressively invades its neighbor and bombs their cities to ruble. The aggressive nation forced war on the world. It is right and just to stop the aggressor and return all involved to the status quo ante. Is is also just to seize the property of the aggressor and deliver it to the country that needs reconstruction.
When the mob declares itself in control of your business your choice is to either submit willingly or to fight for your own right to control yourself.
By advocating allowing Russia to “get it over with,” you are advocating for submission. That’s a bad and weak position, and it is taking the side of the aggressor.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 12:50 pm to OMLandshark
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OMLandshark
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I think we should stop worrying as much
Posted on 5/17/22 at 12:51 pm to WeeWee
I think you are missing my point. I don’t want Russia to end up a Chinese vassal state like half of Africa is destined to be.
I want their territorial aims in Europe thwarted, yet their position in the Far East not completely degraded. I’m just suggesting the west has to be very precise on when to take their foot off the gas at the end of this thing.
I want their territorial aims in Europe thwarted, yet their position in the Far East not completely degraded. I’m just suggesting the west has to be very precise on when to take their foot off the gas at the end of this thing.
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Posted on 5/17/22 at 12:55 pm to Baw Vivant
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OMLandshark
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I think we should stop worrying as much
Posted on 5/17/22 at 12:55 pm to OMLandshark
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But that has been America's bread and butter for decades at this point. I'm sorry, us intentionally prolonging the war is not a batshit conspiracy theory given our recent history.
Neither is Russia invading a neighboring country. One is beyond the pale for you, and the other we should acquiesce to. I don't quite understand your logic and insistence that the US is prolonging anything. It seems the Russians are doing that by themselves through poor management.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 12:57 pm to MAXtheTIGER
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I think you are missing my point. I don’t want Russia to end up a Chinese vassal state like half of Africa is destined to be.
What utter farking humiliation that would be for Russia. That would be a gift that will keep giving for a hundred years.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 1:00 pm to MAXtheTIGER
I think this is a very fair stance.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 1:01 pm to TBoy
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quote: I think you are missing my point. I don’t want Russia to end up a Chinese vassal state like half of Africa is destined to be. What utter farking humiliation that would be for Russia. That would be a gift that will keep giving for a hundred years.
Except Russia’s humiliation will be a huge Chinese victory. I don't relish the idea of Siberia becoming a Chinese colony.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 1:06 pm to MAXtheTIGER
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Except Russia’s humiliation will be a huge Chinese victory. I don't relish the idea of Siberia becoming a Chinese colony.
While I don’t pretend to know Russian military doctrine, my impression would be that Russia will nuke pretty much anyone who tries to seize its land. China won’t invade to steal Russian land. That leaves China having to purchase raw materials from Russia, which is the current situation.
I guess I’m not clear on what you are envisioning here as a possible scenario.
Russia will not submit to Chinese control or give away its land or raw materials. China won’t conquer Russian lands militarily even if it could.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 1:09 pm to crazy4lsu
The radical left and radical right both have the same opinion on the matter. Tells you all you need to know. Yall need to go back to your corners of the internet and argue about pedophiles and oppression or whatever the frick yall talk about all day.
It embarrasses me as an American to see you people clutching your pearls over whether we might hurt Daddy Putin’s precious feelings. Frick him. You idiots can’t see that his only card to play is making people afraid of him, i.e. exactly what you’re doing. It’s long past time we let everyone know that the emperor has no clothes and we can all see his little moobs.
Russia (and China for that matter) are and should be much more afraid of what we think than the other way around. The only way they can hurt us is if we decide to turn around and eagerly proffer them our asscheeks. You know, like what you’re proposing every time your adderal kicks in. So if you’re actually afraid of them then don’t do the one fricking thing that lets them win. I think FDR said this same thing a bit more eloquently
It embarrasses me as an American to see you people clutching your pearls over whether we might hurt Daddy Putin’s precious feelings. Frick him. You idiots can’t see that his only card to play is making people afraid of him, i.e. exactly what you’re doing. It’s long past time we let everyone know that the emperor has no clothes and we can all see his little moobs.
Russia (and China for that matter) are and should be much more afraid of what we think than the other way around. The only way they can hurt us is if we decide to turn around and eagerly proffer them our asscheeks. You know, like what you’re proposing every time your adderal kicks in. So if you’re actually afraid of them then don’t do the one fricking thing that lets them win. I think FDR said this same thing a bit more eloquently
This post was edited on 5/17/22 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 5/17/22 at 1:16 pm to MAXtheTIGER
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I don’t want Russia to end up a Chinese vassal state
That train has left the station.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 1:18 pm to Chromdome35
Video of the remaining Ukrainian fighters surrendering in Mariupol.
https://twitter.com/tinso_ww/status/1526623225182134279
It is going to be interesting to see how they are treated by the Russians.
https://twitter.com/tinso_ww/status/1526623225182134279
It is going to be interesting to see how they are treated by the Russians.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 1:18 pm to TBoy
The Russian economy is projected to decline by almost 20 percent year over year. Their military power has been exposed as smoke and mirrors. If Vladimir Putin is indeed in declining health, then Russia is exposed economically, militarily, and politically. This is an inflection point in Russian history. If the west is not careful, at the end of this war, Chinese money and finances will flow in and Chinese influence and control will grow. I’m not talking about a Chinese military invasion, rather an economic one; ultimately an exclusive economic zone perhaps.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 1:19 pm to TBoy
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What utter farking humiliation that would be for Russia. That would be a gift that will keep giving for a hundred years.
Yeah, because China doesn't really own us right now or anything. This thread is hilarious to me. The prog warmongers. The supposed "conservatives" who are bedding down with the prog warmongers. The Greek chorus of progs and their "conservative" supporters who claim that if you dare question our government's motives, you're a Putin supporter.
We have WeeWee who says this thread is being infiltrated by Poli Board posters, despite the fact that WeeWee is a prolific Poli Board thread starter.
To top that off, you have the usual contingent of posters far along the spectrum (e.g., REG) using this thread to wallow in their supposed vastly superior intelligence (and boy do they get angry if you dare push back against that).
OMLandshark's appearance here is a nice little surprise too. I love that he's the voice of calm, considering his months-long melt about Afghanistan.
Thank you, OT, for this entertainment.
This post was edited on 5/17/22 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 5/17/22 at 1:21 pm to TBoy
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By advocating allowing Russia to “get it over with,” you are advocating for submission. That’s a bad and weak position, and it is taking the side of the aggressor.
AKA, the Chamberlain Doctrine. And we all know where that led.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 1:22 pm to Baw Vivant
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Posted on 5/17/22 at 1:24 pm to Chromdome35
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It is going to be interesting to see how they are treated by the Russians.
They all know they're dead. Which is why they fought so hard for so long.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 1:25 pm to OMLandshark
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shouldn’t we be demanding none of the financing goes to arming literal Nazis?
Hell no, they are really good soldiers.
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