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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 5/17/22 at 4:09 pm to
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
28324 posts
Posted on 5/17/22 at 4:09 pm to
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It's their Alamo for sure



The small number of Wagner Group dead in Mariupol is 6k, probably more than that.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45821 posts
Posted on 5/17/22 at 4:18 pm to
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And most surprisingly to me is Cyber. They are getting skulldrug by nation states and independent orgs swamping their ability to fight beyond their own border.



Russia's cyber warfare groups have been f**king with Ukraine, the USA, the UK, and basically all of the 27 nations in the EU for 20 years or more. There is a lot of ill will against Russia for that, and it appears like everybody has decided it's time to pay Russia back. Russia probably could dominate Ukraine in a cyber war 1 on 1 or be an equal match to the US, UK, Germany, etc. However, when it's 30 nations vs 1 nation they are f**ked.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
46574 posts
Posted on 5/17/22 at 4:20 pm to
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or be an equal match to the US


Nope.

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UK, Germany


Definitely.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45821 posts
Posted on 5/17/22 at 4:24 pm to
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The discomforting fact is as the world stands today some Dutch kid using one thumb to plug a dike


I will be strong. I will be mature. I will not make a lesbian joke here.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45821 posts
Posted on 5/17/22 at 4:25 pm to
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or be an equal match to the US


Nope.


I seem to recall the Russians shutting a major pipeline in the USA last year.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
46574 posts
Posted on 5/17/22 at 4:29 pm to
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I seem to recall the Russians shutting a major pipeline in the USA last year.


Attackers will always have an advantage over defenders. In the cyber battlefield, it's the exact opposite of traditional warfare.

The attacker only has to be right once. The defender has to be right 100% of the time. The defender will always lose. It's why current incident response best practice is to focus on mean time to detection, not keeping the enemy out. Because the enemy will always get in if given enough time and persistence.

When it comes to skill in penetrating adversaries, the US has no equal. And it's not even close.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45821 posts
Posted on 5/17/22 at 4:33 pm to
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Video of the remaining Ukrainian fighters surrendering in Mariupol.

LINK

It is going to be interesting to see how they are treated by the Russians.


Supposedly (based on reporting from multiple twitter sauces so take it with a large grain of salt) the only reason they surrendered is that the Russians agreed to a prisoner exchange. Which if true and if Russia honors that agreement (two big ifs) then they will probably be treated fairly.
Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
Member since Sep 2020
43337 posts
Posted on 5/17/22 at 4:53 pm to
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OMLandshark

Yay. This guy is back. Great.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
46574 posts
Posted on 5/17/22 at 4:55 pm to
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Yay. This guy is back. Great.


He can be annoying, but at least he's not a Putin cheerleader gloating over Ukrainian deaths.

Posted by ned nederlander
Member since Dec 2012
6006 posts
Posted on 5/17/22 at 4:56 pm to
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Russia's cyber warfare groups have been f**king with Ukraine, the USA, the UK, and basically all of the 27 nations in the EU for 20 years or more


Ransom and cyber attacks against municipalities and businesses are down over the last 3 months.

As someone whose business was subject to a ransomware attack, and whose business was affected by the city of New Orleans being hit, I’m enjoying seeing Russia eat a sh!t sandwich in Ukraine of their own making. Being an awful actor on the world stage is coming home to roost for this regime.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
120445 posts
Posted on 5/17/22 at 5:18 pm to
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Posted by junkfunky
Member since Jan 2011
36496 posts
Posted on 5/17/22 at 5:24 pm to
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Russia claims its captured 265 members of the Azov Battalion:


Sounds about right based on the pictures and 17 total busses being reported. Amazing what they were able to do for so long.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 5/17/22 at 5:26 pm to
The CBC in Lysychansk

LINK

When I read newspaper articles, I look for objective statements.


The Russians have redeployed forces from other fronts, like Kharkov, to the Donbas.

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"They gathered reinforcements and moved units here from other fronts," he said. "In the last few days, four new brigades arrived."


The Russians outnumber the defenders, and have more firepower.

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While Russian morale is evidently not particularly high, their sheer numbers and firepower are enabling them to grind forward.


The Ukrainians are deficient in artillery. This is something that I’ve seen in every piece I’ve read over the last few weeks.

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As he spoke, another volley of artillery struck several kilometres away.

"That was probably theirs," said another soldier, Roman. "They have far more [artillery] ammunition than us. They are firing about three shells for every one we do."


There are manpower shortages.

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"We were forced to retreat last night," he said. "We didn't have the forces to hold the town, so we blew up the bridge and pulled back to Severodonetsk."


There are also supply issues.

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Spartak was more confident and stressed the need for additional troops.

"The enemy is getting reinforcements, and we don't have enough ammunition for our artillery, either," he said.
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
12866 posts
Posted on 5/17/22 at 5:42 pm to
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But peace cannot exist when one nation aggressively invades its neighbor and bombs their cities to ruble.

ISWYDT
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
46574 posts
Posted on 5/17/22 at 5:53 pm to
And yet you completely gloss over the advances made by the Ukrainian military, and solely focus on Russian gains.

This is why everyone is critical of you.

Multiple posters in this thread have done a good job of reporting the good with the bad. You are not one of those posters.

ETA: See the post after mine for an example of unbiased reporting.
This post was edited on 5/17/22 at 5:55 pm
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4693 posts
Posted on 5/17/22 at 5:53 pm to
Looks like Russia is changing its tactics

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NEW: Russia is mounting night raids to overrun Ukrainian positions in the contested Donbas, two Ukrainian sources told @ForeignPolicy.

Russia's twilight attacks have left Ukraine in dire need of strike and night vision drones to launch counterattacks.
LINK
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4693 posts
Posted on 5/17/22 at 5:56 pm to
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??Russia’s Investigative Committee said on May 17 that it will check Azov fighters for “involvement in crimes against civilians.”??


@spook_info
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
8699 posts
Posted on 5/17/22 at 6:05 pm to
Russia didn’t capture shite. Those boys ram out of ammunition, food and water is the only reason they aren’t still killing Russians. Not much you can do throwing rocks at tanks. One of the bravest things I’ve seen in my life. 82 days against the Russian army with only one regiment of strength and almost no artillery or air power and you have women and children to worry about as well. Russian military tactics revolve around overwhelming artillery I can’t imagine the hell they went through in those tunnels but it’s ironic that they made their last stand in there because those tunnels under the steel plant due to the Joseph Stalin days if there was an atomic attack. They ended up being used to kill Russians instead of save them.
This post was edited on 5/17/22 at 6:14 pm
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
64355 posts
Posted on 5/17/22 at 6:06 pm to
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Russia's twilight attacks have left Ukraine in dire need of strike and night vision drones to launch counterattacks, said a spokesperson for Raytheon.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 5/17/22 at 6:06 pm to
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And yet you completely gloss over the advances made by the Ukrainian military, and solely focus on Russian gains.


Sure. The Russians abandoned Kharkov, and concentrated their forces in the Donbas.

It was an intelligent thing to do.

The territory doesn’t matter, putting your flag on a spit of dirt doesn’t matter, the destruction of the enemies army does, and they can do that in the Donbas.
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