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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 5/17/22 at 12:13 pm to Dataisbeautiful
Posted on 5/17/22 at 12:13 pm to Dataisbeautiful
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Posted on 5/17/22 at 12:13 pm to Centinel
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Assuming what you say here is true, despite all that is Rand's request not reasonable to ensure the proper accountability of US taxpayer dollars? It would be one thing if he's trying to block the bill completely. But that's not what he's doing.
As others pointed out, the accountability was and is going to be there, but he's grandstanding - and not just to American voters, but to the Russians who continue to see him as the most accommodating person in the senate for them. Every western country has these politicians.
Since you're positive about Finland and Sweden in NATO, it's notable that Finland voted NATO application out of its Parliament today and that yesterday Mitch promised to get their additions ratified before the August recess. Let's watch Rand. Two NATO member additions have come up since he's been in the Senate - Montenegro in 2017 and North Macedonia in 2020. He voted no to both (they passed 97-2 and 91-2 respectively with Mike Lee the other "no"). He works against sanctioning oligarchs consistently and whatabouts Russian interference in elections and you saw how he rationalized Russia's invasion to the Secretary of State.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 12:14 pm to OMLandshark
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But no one even seems remotely interested in coming to the table.
When Russia leaves the sovereign nation they invaded, then people will come to the table.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 12:17 pm to Centinel
Centinel, I think that most people who aren't following the military details of this war as deeply as many in this thread are, think that Russia is holding back. They just can't comprehend that the big bad Russian military that we've been told for decades is our biggest threat, is just a shadow of its former self. I know I'm shocked by it.
People are living in the past in regards to Russian military might. Who would have thought that after the 1st few days of the invasion, Russia's vaunted military wouldn't make any major gains and have to retreat???
People are living in the past in regards to Russian military might. Who would have thought that after the 1st few days of the invasion, Russia's vaunted military wouldn't make any major gains and have to retreat???
Posted on 5/17/22 at 12:17 pm to TigerDoc
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As others pointed out, the accountability was and is going to be there
Sorry, but I don't trust a single promise coming from any politician on either side of the isle. What's to stop them from just ignoring the promised amendment?
We do not have a very good track record of accountability of foreign aid the past twenty years or so if you haven't noticed, so pardon me if I'm rather skeptical of any promises made and not hard-written in to the aid package.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 12:18 pm to Centinel
That's fine. Just keep watching Rand. 
Posted on 5/17/22 at 12:18 pm to OMLandshark
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we just haven't gotten into a really hardcore one in most living memory. People have forgotten, and there are typically revolutions every 80 years when the elderly die out who remember the last revolution. We're right on schedule for that.
I agree with you 10000000% on this statement. We've forgotten the past and we're doomed to repeat it.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 12:20 pm to TigerDoc
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That's fine. Just keep watching Rand.
Don't get me wrong, if he tries anything else to stop the bill, I'll take my opinion back about his motives. But I can't disagree with what he's asking for right now, especially having seen what happened in the middle east first hand.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 12:23 pm to Chromdome35
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Posted on 5/17/22 at 12:24 pm to Chromdome35
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Centinel, I think that most people who aren't following the military details of this war as deeply as many in this thread are, think that Russia is holding back. They just can't comprehend that the big bad Russian military that we've been told for decades is our biggest threat, is just a shadow of its former self. I know I'm shocked by it.
This is exactly right. If your priors are "Russia is a great military that is able to overwhelm poor/middling countries" and they don't overwhelm them, you have to resolve the dissonance with "then Putin must be playing 12-D chess", versions of which we continue to see.
At the same time, we can go too far in underestimating them and as long as their population stays behind them (framed as a war against the west who is blamed for all the suffering) they can do this a long time.
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Posted on 5/17/22 at 12:25 pm to Centinel
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Posted on 5/17/22 at 12:27 pm to Centinel
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Posted on 5/17/22 at 12:28 pm to OMLandshark
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Again China launched a space nuke last year, so I don't see why you're counting this out.
That was China, not Russia. And we're not talking nuclear weapons here. That's a totally different discussion.
I mean they can't even get their T-14s out of pre-production. What makes you think they have some super advanced weapon they're holding back?
Posted on 5/17/22 at 12:28 pm to Chromdome35
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Posted on 5/17/22 at 12:31 pm to Centinel
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Posted on 5/17/22 at 12:31 pm to OMLandshark
Russia absolutely has terrifying weapons, but MAD continues to be in effect and Russia's routine is to rattle nukes to bully its way. Backing down doesn't make them stop. They just move on to do it again. The countries that border them - baltics, Finland, Ukraine, all see through this bullshite.
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Posted on 5/17/22 at 12:39 pm to OMLandshark
Other than WMD, I don't think Russia has anything big and bad in its arsenal that they haven't already used. They have used tons of cruise missiles, even some of their newest Hypersonic ones. All of their aircraft types have made an appearance, same for helicopters. The only tank that hasn't been captured by Ukrainian farmers is the new T14 Armata, and they can't produce that at this point. One of their most modern ships is now serving in their submarine fleet. I'm not aware of any conventional weapon system they haven't deployed that could make any difference at this point.
The ONLY thing I can see that will stop them from getting kicked out of Ukraine completely is WMDs.
The ONLY thing I can see that will stop them from getting kicked out of Ukraine completely is WMDs.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 12:44 pm to Chromdome35
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The ONLY thing I can see that will stop them from getting kicked out of Ukraine completely is WMDs.
The other thing is Russia-friendly pols. The worse things look for Russia, the more you'll hear "they might use a nuke" and "it's time to pull support so the Ukrainians make peace".
Posted on 5/17/22 at 12:45 pm to OMLandshark
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Because it's incredibly destructive, would destroy a city, and possibly cause WWIII.
Ya, that's called a tactical nuke. It's nothing super secret. The most advanced weaponry Russia has is the hypersonic missiles, and even they are few in number and much less effective than even our intelligence agencies thought.
Posted on 5/17/22 at 12:46 pm to OMLandshark
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And here's the scary part about that one: our missile defense systems didn't detect it. We had no idea that happened until the Chinese actively told us and bragged about it
Not true. Intelligence didn't know China was going to run the test but it was detected. The missile is designed to evade fixed american radar stations. It essentially orbits Earth and attacks from a direction that is not covered by Early Warning radar
We still have satellites that can detect the heat plumes of launches. We would see it go up but would have difficulty predicting the target area
Its called "FOBS"
The FOBS concept isn’t new. The Soviet Union briefly deployed a fractional, orbital nuke through the 1970s. FOBS was destabilizing then and still is destabilizing today. However, it also is a rational response to the United States’ own development of increasingly sophisticated missile-defense systems.
There were hints the Chinese Communist Party had tested something sensitive. The China Academy of Launch Vehicle Technology, which oversees space launches on the Party’s behalf, on July 19 announced it had launched its 77th Long March rocket. On Aug. 24, the academy announced that it had launched the 79th rocket.
The unmentioned 78th launch apparently boosted into low orbit a hypersonic glide vehicle that “circled the globe” before gliding back down to Earth and missing its target by a couple dozen miles, according to Sevastopulo and Hille.
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