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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 5/11/22 at 3:25 pm to Tigeralum2008
Posted on 5/11/22 at 3:25 pm to Tigeralum2008
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I am stunned at the lack of maneuvering by the tank crews in this video. They literally stay on the road and do nothing more than pop smoke. One simply KAMIKAZES straight ahead and get his turret flipped in the process
Being a light infantry grunt at heart I don't remember the mounted battle drill for a near ambush as well as I am sure some do here, but I am not sure they were that far off from US SOP.
If your vehicle is still operational you immediately return fire, pop smoke, and move out of the kill zone. Often that means moving straight down the road as fast as possible and potentially taking more fire. Going off-road at an ambush sight is dangerous because you don't know what the ground conditions are nor do you know what obstacles the enemy has laid. Further from the footage, it doesn't appear moving off-road would have gained any cover or concealment for the vehicles. It likely would have just slowed or stopped their ability to disengage from the kill zone.
I couldn't see what the troops did that were in disabled vehicles. They should have dismounted, popped smoke, and maneuvered to assault through the ambush.
Vehicles outside the kill zone should ID the ambush firing positions, provide suppressive fire and shift fire when any dismounted troops assault the ambush position(s).
For me at least the footage is not clear enough to actually grade them in an AAR. I would say they probably fricked up badly because in actual combat near ambushes are one of the most difficult positions a small unit commander will ever find themselves. I personally would need more and better footage than just that grainy loop to judge them. Maybe someone with more of a track mentality can weigh in on what they see.
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Posted on 5/11/22 at 3:40 pm to Pfft
While I sympathize with this objective, it is very difficult for the US to serve its objectives and preserve its safety without reliance on military force from time to time.
I lived thru Vietnam and understand the slippery slope, but there are folks who would endanger our peace and use military force or threats of that force to obtain their objectives, including extra territorial domination. Cuban Missile Crisis comes to mind.
However, you are correct that we overdo threats to justify military intervention on a massive scale.
One of the most shameful things in my lifetime was what Dick Cheney did to get us to unleash shock and awe on Iraq. It has and will continue to haunt us for a long time
I lived thru Vietnam and understand the slippery slope, but there are folks who would endanger our peace and use military force or threats of that force to obtain their objectives, including extra territorial domination. Cuban Missile Crisis comes to mind.
However, you are correct that we overdo threats to justify military intervention on a massive scale.
One of the most shameful things in my lifetime was what Dick Cheney did to get us to unleash shock and awe on Iraq. It has and will continue to haunt us for a long time
Posted on 5/11/22 at 4:02 pm to nitwit
For me it's not even that. It's this stupid fricking modern concept of "nation building". The US military isn't made to "nation build". It's made to close with and destroy the enemy.
There are arguments both ways that we needed to get rid of Saddam and the Taliban. Fine, let's say we did. We should have gone in like we did, crush them both, then get the frick out. Let Iraq and Afghanistan figure it out.
Sticking around for ten years was pointless and a massive waste of men, material, and money.
The current situation in Ukraine right now is very, very different however, and in no way can be compared to Vietnam, Iraq, or Afghanistan. In this case we're not the invader, and this is not some far flung small insignificant nation. This is on the doorstep of Europe.
There are arguments both ways that we needed to get rid of Saddam and the Taliban. Fine, let's say we did. We should have gone in like we did, crush them both, then get the frick out. Let Iraq and Afghanistan figure it out.
Sticking around for ten years was pointless and a massive waste of men, material, and money.
The current situation in Ukraine right now is very, very different however, and in no way can be compared to Vietnam, Iraq, or Afghanistan. In this case we're not the invader, and this is not some far flung small insignificant nation. This is on the doorstep of Europe.
This post was edited on 5/11/22 at 4:05 pm
Posted on 5/11/22 at 4:04 pm to Pfft
Wait a second is Pfft implying that WW2 was some kind of mistake that America should have stayed out of? Nobody is that dumb.
Posted on 5/11/22 at 4:05 pm to OGtigerfan87
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Wait a second is Pfft implying that WW2 was some kind of mistake that America should have stayed out of? Nobody is that dumb.
Hence my "Neville is that you?" post.
Posted on 5/11/22 at 4:05 pm to Centinel
Agreed Centinel
Posted on 5/11/22 at 4:06 pm to Centinel
I think some evil people want us to stay in for years on end to line pockets. Military providers make only a small portion of their wealth on initial invasions.(Hookers and Blow money) The resupply for ongoing conflicts get them mansions and Ferrari money.
Posted on 5/11/22 at 4:21 pm to OGtigerfan87
Read my post again, I said it is always a slippery slope. Not seems like, it is. Sometime it is needed for us to war, a lot more times it is not.
I will not let anyone come into my house and take my shite, kill or rape anyone of my family, but I am not going to go out in my town getting in between neighbors fights.
I am just saying it is time to turn down the kill them all volume on the radio dial.
I am like a lot of people who are fascinated by war. I constantly watch war movies and videos about war.
I tracked down every piece of info about both of my grandfathers WW2 service. My wife hates it sometimes. But 'Come on Man' this is getting ridiculous.
I will not let anyone come into my house and take my shite, kill or rape anyone of my family, but I am not going to go out in my town getting in between neighbors fights.
I am just saying it is time to turn down the kill them all volume on the radio dial.
I am like a lot of people who are fascinated by war. I constantly watch war movies and videos about war.
I tracked down every piece of info about both of my grandfathers WW2 service. My wife hates it sometimes. But 'Come on Man' this is getting ridiculous.
Posted on 5/11/22 at 4:29 pm to Pfft
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But 'Come on Man' this is getting ridiculous.
There are much larger geopolitical ramifications of the war in Ukraine than you seem to realize. The only way this will become your "slippery slope" is if Putin attacks a NATO country. And the ramifications of the United States not fulfilling it's NATO agreements would send shockwaves across the entire planet.
We live in what is called "Pax Americana" for a reason. It's the unwavering belief of the free world that when statist thugs like Putin do statist things, we bring the hammer of god down on them.
Putin has not attacked NATO, so we can not directly engage Russian forces. But we can certainly support the nation that was invaded by a statist thug.
We have over a Division sitting just over the border in Poland to remind Vlad that if he so much as twitches towards a NATO country, the response will be swift and brutal. It won't be the sole nation of Ukraine, using NATO equipment that they just received and were trained on. It will be over a Division's worth of the US Army, an army that has been battle hardened over the past ten years (for good or ill) using the current equipment that is decimating Russian forces, but in larger quantities, with better trained Soldiers, of the most professional military force that has ever existed on this planet.
And that's not even mentioning the US Air Force's capabilities in the AO. Or us releasing the leash on the rabid pitbull that is Poland.
To summarize: Putin don't want that heat.
This post was edited on 5/11/22 at 4:31 pm
Posted on 5/11/22 at 4:38 pm to TideCPA
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Russian pontoon bridge & ~30 armored vehicles (mostly tanks & BMPs) destroyed by Ukrainian artillery
More details coming out: Apparently the Ukrainians allowed an entire Battalion Tactical Group to cross this bridge, they then blew the bridge, trapped the entire BTG and then they deleted 40 fighting vehicles and several hundred soldiers
The Russians then made a SECOND attempt to build a bridge at THE EXACT SAME LOCATION...They were ambushed again with similar results. Losing a total of 75%-95% of the armored vehicles of TWO BTG's
This post was edited on 5/11/22 at 4:51 pm
Posted on 5/11/22 at 4:44 pm to Tigeralum2008
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More details coming out: Apparently the Ukrainians allowed an entire Battalion Tactical Group to cross this bridge, they then blew the bridge, trapped the entire BTG and deleted 40 fighting vehicles and several hundred soldiers
The Russians then made a SECOND attempt to build a bridge at THE EXACT SAME LOCATION...They were ambushed again with similar results. Losing a total of 75%-95% of the armoered vehicles of TWO BTG's
Rapid Trident is paying off very, very well boys and girls.
Posted on 5/11/22 at 4:44 pm to Tigeralum2008
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More details coming out: Apparently the Ukrainians allowed an entire Battalion Tactical Group to cross this bridge, they then blew the bridge, trapped the entire BTG and deleted 40 fighting vehicles and several hundred soldiers
Wow... Savage
Posted on 5/11/22 at 4:51 pm to Tigeralum2008
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The Russians then made a SECOND attempt to build a bridge at THE EXACT SAME LOCATION...
You keep hearing things like this.
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“Sometimes you play poker with a bad hand, but Russia is playing without any cards at all. Their tactics are insane. Take Chernobaivka: it has a small military airport. Seventeen times they’ve tried to take it. Seventeen times we’ve smashed them. Still they come. Our soldiers ask: ‘Are they dumb?’ No, just incapable of independent thought. They just follow orders — no matter how crazy.”
Inside the Battle on the Eastern Front
Posted on 5/11/22 at 4:54 pm to TigerDoc
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“Sometimes you play poker with a bad hand, but Russia is playing without any cards at all. Their tactics are insane. Take Chernobaivka: it has a small military airport. Seventeen times they’ve tried to take it. Seventeen times we’ve smashed them. Still they come. Our soldiers ask: ‘Are they dumb?’ No, just incapable of independent thought. They just follow orders — no matter how crazy.”
The Ukrainian military sees this now, because they have been trained in the western way of war. And it's way man-for-man, the Ukrainian military is far superior to Russia's.
Posted on 5/11/22 at 4:56 pm to Centinel
I am hoping you are very correct on this Cent., very correct.
Posted on 5/11/22 at 4:59 pm to Pfft
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I am hoping you are very correct on this Cent., very correct.
I hope I am too. My point being that you can be very critical of our "nation building" jaunts in the middle east, yet also understand what's going on now is very different, and has much larger consequences globally.
Posted on 5/11/22 at 5:34 pm to RLDSC FAN
US 155-caliber howitzers already being used at front – Dpty Defense Minister
"Besides Javelin and Stinger, American 155-caliber howitzers are already being used at the front. The process of receiving Western armored vehicles and other weapons continues. Three months ago, this was still considered impossible. These are the results of the joint work of the President of Ukraine, his office, the Defense Ministry, and our diplomats and everyone who supports our efforts. We are working to increase and accelerate the pace of receiving assistance, because the lives of our soldiers depend on it," Maliar said at a briefing at the Ukraine media center in Kyiv on Wednesday.
Interfax-Ukraine News Agency
"Besides Javelin and Stinger, American 155-caliber howitzers are already being used at the front. The process of receiving Western armored vehicles and other weapons continues. Three months ago, this was still considered impossible. These are the results of the joint work of the President of Ukraine, his office, the Defense Ministry, and our diplomats and everyone who supports our efforts. We are working to increase and accelerate the pace of receiving assistance, because the lives of our soldiers depend on it," Maliar said at a briefing at the Ukraine media center in Kyiv on Wednesday.
Interfax-Ukraine News Agency
Posted on 5/11/22 at 5:55 pm to cypher
ISW updates May 11
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Key Takeaways
The Ukrainian counteroffensive north of Kharkiv City has forced Russian troops onto the defensive and has successfully alleviated artillery pressure on Kharkiv City.Russian forces continued efforts to encircle Ukrainian positions in the Severodonetsk-Rubizhne-Lysychansk area but did not make any confirmed advances.Russian forces may be initiating a new advance towards Bakhmut after capturing Popasna in order to secure highway access north to Slovyansk.Russian forces are attempting to consolidate their positions in western Kherson Oblast to push into Mykolaiv Oblast.Pro-Russian Telegram sources reported Ukrainian forces may be conducting a counterattack 40km north of Izyum to cut off Russian units in this key town, though ISW cannot confirm these reports at this time.
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Immediate items to watch
The Belarusian Defense Ministry announced the second stage of rapid response force exercises, but Belarus remains unlikely to join the war in Ukraine.Russian forces will likely continue to merge offensive efforts southward of Izyum with westward advances from Donetsk in order to encircle Ukrainian troops in southern Kharkiv Oblast and Western Donetsk.Russia is likely setting conditions to integrate occupied Ukrainian territories directly into Russia, as opposed to creating proxy “People’s Republics.”Russian forces have apparently decided to seize the Azovstal plant through ground assault and will likely continue operations accordingly.Ukrainian counteroffensives around Kharkiv City are pushing back Russian positions northeast of the city towards the international border and will likely continue to force the Russians to reinforce those positions at the cost of reinforcing Russian offensive operations elsewhere.Russian forces may be preparing to conduct renewed offensive operations to capture the entirety of Kherson Oblast in the coming days.
Posted on 5/11/22 at 5:56 pm to Tigeralum2008
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More details coming out: Apparently the Ukrainians allowed an entire Battalion Tactical Group to cross this bridge, they then blew the bridge, trapped the entire BTG and then they deleted 40 fighting vehicles and several hundred soldiers
The Russians then made a SECOND attempt to build a bridge at THE EXACT SAME LOCATION...They were ambushed again with similar results. Losing a total of 75%-95% of the armored vehicles of TWO BTG's
Savage!
Posted on 5/11/22 at 6:12 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
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??[UNCONFIRMED] It is expected that (historically neutral) Finland will announce its formal intentions of seeking NATO membership tomorrow morning.??
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