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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 5/6/22 at 4:08 pm to LSUCanFAN
Posted on 5/6/22 at 4:08 pm to LSUCanFAN
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My “anti Russian bias” is as the result of them invading a sovereign country and murdering, raping and stealing stuff from ordinary Ukrainian citizens-some of whom I know person to person. It has nothing to do with MSM coverage of which I watch relatively little as I have an attention span that far exceeds the average viewer of Cnn fox and whatever passes for media in America, in Canada we have access to American media but I prefer Canadian, British and France TV5coverage. Not to put too fine a point on things equating CNN with Russian state media is fricking retarded.
Calm down hoss, most of us are in that same position. My entire point is that even though we now “agree” with CNN, BBC, etc. we don’t seem be sourcing them. We’re all looking elsewhere, in your case, your own contacts and experiences. This incidence of agreement doesn’t seem to be increasing our trust in those institutions at all.
This counters a more persistent belief that we inherently trust sources that agree with us, and tell us what we want to hear. In this case the OT mostly believes the same General outline as CNN but still think they’re full of shiiite. This only occurs from a poly sci point of view because the center-right (the general OT lean) is aligned with the left in this case, which is the first time that’s happened in a while.
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Posted on 5/6/22 at 4:29 pm to BRIllini07
Mmmmh I kind of conflated your original comment with the poster who replied to it-so if I reflexively replied to yours when I was kind of pissed at theirs-I’m still sticking by my comments but I don’t want you to feel shite on-more them lol
Posted on 5/6/22 at 4:32 pm to BRIllini07
You are so spot on with this
Posted on 5/6/22 at 5:11 pm to Chromdome35
Being fair to the large media outlets we are perfectly fine dealing with pure speculation for hours even days before confirmation either way. Mentally I was chalking up the Admiral Makarov from the second I saw the post, I couldn't do that if I was a major media outlet.
It really wouldn't matter if CNN/Fox was getting everything right because it would be reported hours after it shows up here so we wouldn't bother watching.
It really wouldn't matter if CNN/Fox was getting everything right because it would be reported hours after it shows up here so we wouldn't bother watching.
Posted on 5/6/22 at 5:52 pm to RLDSC FAN
Pentagon Press Secretary Statement on $150 Million in Additional Security Assistance for Ukraine
May 6, 2022
Capabilities in this package are tailored to meet critical Ukrainian needs for today’s fight as Russian forces continue their offensive in eastern Ukraine. The package includes:
(25,000) 155mm artillery rounds;
(3) AN/TPQ-36 counter-artillery radars; and
Electronic jamming equipment; and
Field equipment and spare parts
May 6, 2022
Capabilities in this package are tailored to meet critical Ukrainian needs for today’s fight as Russian forces continue their offensive in eastern Ukraine. The package includes:
(25,000) 155mm artillery rounds;
(3) AN/TPQ-36 counter-artillery radars; and
Electronic jamming equipment; and
Field equipment and spare parts
Posted on 5/6/22 at 6:37 pm to StormyMcMan
Posted on 5/6/22 at 6:41 pm to StormyMcMan
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The RSOTM Telegram channel run by Wagner private military contractors currently in Ukraine said that either “there will be a mobilization or we will lose the war.” They think they need 600-800k people to defeat Ukraine.
They're not wrong.
Posted on 5/6/22 at 6:49 pm to Centinel
They would still lose the war
Posted on 5/6/22 at 6:51 pm to StormyMcMan
Isn’t there some military thought that the minimum manpower advantage needed for the attacker is a 3-1 ratio? The 200k troops originally committed to this was woefully small.
Posted on 5/6/22 at 7:10 pm to WestCoastAg
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i would assume weve gone HAM on trying to get some kind of missile defense systems up in the sky that can potentially hit things launched from the chinese or russian interior that our ground/ship based systems dont have the range for
We don't have to destroy the missiles on the ground. Don't we have THAADs in Alaska that are aimed at the Russian interior? Isn't that also why the Aegis Ashore system in Romania is built in such a way that it can respond to missiles launched from Russia or Iran?
Posted on 5/6/22 at 7:11 pm to LSUCanFAN
Do you really think that? I was in when the wall fell. We trained to fight them. I’m hesitant to think think they’ve done their worst. I just don’t see them tucking tail and run. I think they’ll test waters with chemicals.
Posted on 5/6/22 at 7:15 pm to lsu777
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In that scenario, the Il-80 is designed to become the roaming command centre for the Russian president. It is packed with technology but specific details are Russian state secrets.
Looks fricking stupid
Posted on 5/6/22 at 7:26 pm to Centinel
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The RSOTM Telegram channel run by Wagner private military contractors currently in Ukraine said that either “there will be a mobilization or we will lose the war.” They think they need 600-800k people to defeat Ukraine.
They're not wrong.
They are going to need more than that. Doesn't Ukraine have between 250,000 - 500,000 reservists and draftees in training right now? Russia will need at least 1 million infantry soldiers to conquer Ukraine and shiteload of behind the line people and I highly doubt that Russia improves its behind the lines performance in the near future.
Posted on 5/6/22 at 7:34 pm to cypher
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Putin's "Phase 2 offensive" in Eastern Ukraine, ladies and gentlemen. The blue check marks show Ukrainian territorial gains in Kharkiv Oblast today alone.
LINK
The Ukies doing work. They are about to split the Russian forces attacking Kharkiv in two. Once the Russian forces have been driven back across that river they will be less than 70 kms from the border at the widest point of that part of the front.
Posted on 5/6/22 at 8:09 pm to Centinel
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quote:
The RSOTM Telegram channel run by Wagner private military contractors currently in Ukraine said that either “there will be a mobilization or we will lose the war.” They think they need 600-800k people to defeat Ukraine.
They're not wrong.
My 30,000 foot view of that looking through clouds is:
3/4 of a million personnel: not that hard
3/4 of a million personnel trained to AIT level: harder
3/4 of a million troops well trained: even harder taking significant time
3/4 of a million troops well trained with proper personal equipment: really pushing the limits
3/4 of a million troops well trained with proper personal AND unit equipment/crew served weapons and vehicles: damn near impossible for Russia in the near term
Proper logistical support of any of the above in the field: as much chance as Alexandra Daddario and Margot Robbie showing up at my door tonight offering to pay me to be in a threesome with them
Posted on 5/6/22 at 8:41 pm to Capt ST
This war was effectively over 6 days ago. Mass mobilization won’t do anything for 3-4 months by then IF this is still going on Russias losses in men and materials will cripple their ability to effectively wage war against Ukraine, who in the interim will get proportionally stronger in terms of combat readiness and weaponry. Plus -who will lead these new conscripts? 12 Generals 3 dozen majors commanders Killed…as far as chemical biological nuclear not if they’d like to continue to exist-a very detailed summary of how that plays out has been provided to Russia with China cc’d
Posted on 5/6/22 at 9:27 pm to StormyMcMan
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The RSOTM Telegram channel run by Wagner private military contractors currently in Ukraine said that either “there will be a mobilization or we will lose the war.” They think they need 600-800k people to defeat Ukraine.
Did Russia declare an actual war yet? 800 thousands more Russian troops in Ukraine would more than likely make a difference at first, assuming Vlad could snap his fingers and transport them there ready to go. This isn’t ending anytime soon because the people will fight and they have the western worlds weapons at they’re disposal.
Posted on 5/6/22 at 9:54 pm to gizmothepug
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800 thousands more Russian troops in Ukraine would more than likely make a difference at first, assuming Vlad could snap his fingers and transport them there ready to go
The discussion above is about the fact that there is no snap fingers function for new military conscript readiness. It’s kind of a pipe dream for 6 months down the road, and maybe not then.
Posted on 5/6/22 at 10:04 pm to TBoy
The crazy thing is so many of these Russian troops are not even Slavic or ethnically Russian. They come from the waste lands east of the major cities and they look more Mongol or Asian.
Mass mobilization and mass conscription will change that. Lots of ethnically Slavic Russian will be effected by this
Putin gave no shite about a solider who is from 7 times zones away from Moscow who had no choice but to join the military due to conscription or because his family has had generations of poverty and there is no way out of it.
Mass mobilization and mass conscription will change that. Lots of ethnically Slavic Russian will be effected by this
Putin gave no shite about a solider who is from 7 times zones away from Moscow who had no choice but to join the military due to conscription or because his family has had generations of poverty and there is no way out of it.
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