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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 5/4/22 at 11:35 am to
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
30813 posts
Posted on 5/4/22 at 11:35 am to
Old Russian woman REALLY doesn't think much of Ukrainian woman. They are both in Sweden. Not really war related but funny to see her just lose her shite.

YT vid

Has anyone seen a good article about who would fill the power vacuum if Vlad kicks the bucket or is ousted? I am curious about the devil you know etc.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4694 posts
Posted on 5/4/22 at 11:39 am to
This might be the biggest proof that Russia is planning on announcing war and mobilization on May 9

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?? Kremlin spokesman: War declaration on May 9 'nonsense.'

Kremlin's spokesman Dmitry Peskov dismissed reports that Russia could officially declare war against Ukraine and start a national mobilization on May 9, when Russia celebrates the Soviet Union's victory in World War II.

LINK
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
105619 posts
Posted on 5/4/22 at 11:41 am to
The irony is Russia could be a superpower if they would embrace western ideals and methods like Ukraine has. Not the kind of superpower Putin aspires to be, but a superpower nevertheless.
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
4761 posts
Posted on 5/4/22 at 11:59 am to
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potential coup activity.

I think the timing is right, cant do it quickly or he is a martyr. Plus it takes time to organize and you have to let the suffering sink in and you want some survivability, nobody wants to go on a one way trip.
This surgery could not have come at a worse time for Vladimir. The time that Putin spends in theater and recovery for his surgery will be critical. We know he has burned bridges with the FSB. That leaves the siloviki and the military leadership. We can safely forget the military leadership as we have seen what they are made of. So who wants to protect Putin now that he is not the all-powerful genius? Going forward, who wants to take responsibility this shite sandwich? The populace can be managed post-coup with propaganda, but is there someone with the ambition to take over? Or will they protect Putin?
Posted by roobedoo
hall summit
Member since Jun 2008
1273 posts
Posted on 5/4/22 at 12:08 pm to
Maybe he does not wake up from surgery.
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
28324 posts
Posted on 5/4/22 at 12:10 pm to
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Maybe he does not wake up from surgery.



Man no pressure on the surgical team huh?
Posted by Kentucker
Rabbit Hash, KY
Member since Apr 2013
20055 posts
Posted on 5/4/22 at 12:17 pm to
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The populace can be managed post-coup with propaganda


This is the sad truth about the Russian people. They have never advanced beyond a strict hierarchical society and likely won’t. Russia should be broken up and ruled by democratic nations.
Posted by BRIllini07
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2015
3208 posts
Posted on 5/4/22 at 12:25 pm to
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This is the sad truth about the Russian people. They have never advanced beyond a strict hierarchical society and likely won’t. Russia should be broken up and ruled by democratic nations.


The model here is possibly South Korea or Taiwan. Both nations have an inherent respect for hierarchy and have evolved into modern democracies.

There’s a book on this (can’t remember it now). But basically to follow the SK/Taiwan model, Russia should be under authoritarian (but non-corrupt rule) for the next few decades slowly working in Western values and gaining the trust of the western world until a true democracy can be established.
Posted by lowspark12
nashville, tn
Member since Aug 2009
22598 posts
Posted on 5/4/22 at 12:32 pm to
Russia went from 600 years of the Romanovs to civil war to one of the most oppressive regimes in modern history… unlike the west, they never experienced the bourgeois gaining power… they went from extreme right to extreme left when no in between.

and at this point, they probably never will.
Posted by Spaceman Spiff
Savannah
Member since Sep 2012
20510 posts
Posted on 5/4/22 at 12:32 pm to
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Man no pressure on the surgical team huh?


Or maybe the surgical team has been paid...
Posted by roobedoo
hall summit
Member since Jun 2008
1273 posts
Posted on 5/4/22 at 12:41 pm to
A little extra something, something in the IV.
Posted by lowspark12
nashville, tn
Member since Aug 2009
22598 posts
Posted on 5/4/22 at 12:41 pm to
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The model here is possibly South Korea or Taiwan. Both nations have an inherent respect for hierarchy and have evolved into modern democracies.


I just don’t see it… western countries have controlled parts of Asia for decades/centuries… through colonization and/or military interventions… for better or for worse, that structure has left an imprint.

That hasn’t happened in Russia… they’ve been walled off for centuries
Posted by northshorebamaman
Mackinac Island
Member since Jul 2009
38431 posts
Posted on 5/4/22 at 1:03 pm to
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And if it happens that SPC is ready, he has been trained for that contingency.
This whole thing is really reinvigorating the sense of pride I have in our military. The gap between "us" and "them" hasn't seemed wider at any other point in my lifetime.
Posted by BRIllini07
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2015
3208 posts
Posted on 5/4/22 at 1:04 pm to
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I just don’t see it… western countries have controlled parts of Asia for decades/centuries… through colonization and/or military interventions… for better or for worse, that structure has left an imprint. That hasn’t happened in Russia… they’ve been walled off for centuries


Good point. Maybe it has to go region by region then. For instance, Ukraine seems to have shifted West remarkably between 2014 and now (but that required the annexation of Crimea to “scare” them a bit).

Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
Member since Apr 2004
11918 posts
Posted on 5/4/22 at 1:39 pm to
Ukraine is a relatively special case. It came into the USSR as a Soviet Social Republic under Lenin because it had a history of status as a "protectorate" with semi-autonomy and had even established itself as an independent Republic for about 5 years after rising up shortly after the October Revolution. It has its own language. Most Russians culturally have traditionally seen themselves as the "Great Russian" branch of the East Slavs with the Belorussians ("white Russians") and Ukrainians (pejoratively the "little Russians") being the others and the "Great Russians" will generally want a nation of their own and would be hard to divide. They're also so geographically spread they're hard to occupy. But if they started dropping nukes, maybe we'd try. Russian media, of course, is playing up this "the West is coming for you now" to the Russian boomers, claiming the West is Nazi to invoke images of the Great Patriotic War (WWII).

This post was edited on 5/4/22 at 1:51 pm
Posted by Gravitiger
Member since Jun 2011
12604 posts
Posted on 5/4/22 at 1:53 pm to
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western countries have controlled parts of Asia for decades/centuries… through colonization and/or military interventions… for better or for worse, that structure has left an imprint.
Russian nationalists would argue that is exactly what Western nations are doing in Finland, Poland, and Ukraine (and maybe even the Baltic states).
This post was edited on 5/4/22 at 1:57 pm
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42865 posts
Posted on 5/4/22 at 1:59 pm to
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Russian nationalists would argue that is exactly what Western nations are doing in Finland, Poland, and Ukraine (and maybe even the Baltic states).



Can Russian nationalists justify their invasions of Poland abd Finland ????
This post was edited on 5/4/22 at 4:00 pm
Posted by Gravitiger
Member since Jun 2011
12604 posts
Posted on 5/4/22 at 2:06 pm to
I'm sure they'd find some reason to. They're Russian nationalists.
Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
Member since Apr 2004
11918 posts
Posted on 5/4/22 at 2:09 pm to
For sure. They justified invading Hungary and Chechoslovakia on Communist liberation ideology and they don't have that now. Now, it's "the west is coming for us so we have to take them out first" and then the ethnonationalist imperialist element sees itself as wanting Moscow at the head of pan-Slavic empire.
Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
26257 posts
Posted on 5/4/22 at 2:19 pm to
Ukraine started shifting to the west as early as 2003-04.
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