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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 4/11/22 at 7:46 pm to
Posted by Royal
God's Country
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 4/11/22 at 7:46 pm to
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am absolutely shocked that a negative post about the PB in this thread is an exaggeration. Absolutely shocked. Maybe try reading all of discussion versus cherry picking posts. Below is from first page alone.


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dallastigers


Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
5180 posts
Posted on 4/11/22 at 7:47 pm to
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NATO will be in a better position if LePen wins even if France leaves NATO. LePen has backed off of her call to leave the EU which means that France would still be in the European single market. LePen wants to be much more aggressive with nuclear energy and is open to reversing France's ban on fracking. Since France has the 2nd largest natural gas reserves in the EU (Poland is #1) it could be huge for weaning the European NATO countries off their addiction to Russian natural gas.


I’m all for more energy production from more true allies, particularly ones with actual means to hold their own in defense. Particularly for expanded nuclear since I invested in UUUU months back

He retirement and tax plans seem problematic though. No taxes on under 30, but lowers retirement age to 60. I guess in essence the way our economy has evolved much of our under 30s effectively don’t pay taxes either, but the retirement age and it’s strain on their finances seems a problem.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 4/11/22 at 7:48 pm to
I work with the French military regularly. They’re good. They were the only country that could operate in and over Libya without US support during the Libyan civil war and their intervention in Mali back in 2013 was impressive by any standard. Look that one up if you get the chance. Unfortunately it’s spiraled into France’s version of Iraq/Afghanistan now.
Posted by siliconvalleytiger
Bay Area, CA
Member since Apr 2004
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Posted on 4/11/22 at 7:51 pm to
You made your point pretty well there LOL
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
5180 posts
Posted on 4/11/22 at 7:54 pm to
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Spent four years in Germany. Grandma is from Germany. Still have tons of family in Germany.

Germany has had a huge change of opinion on the size and purpose of their military.

Germany will arm to challenge Russia. Japan will arm to challenge China.

Oh how the turns have tabled from WWII


While long overdue from a “they need to pulled their own weight” perspective, this historically is going to spell trouble, especially if La Pen were to actually win. This will surely make the Poles even more anxious than they already are too.

For good measure, frick China. Japan should arm up rapidly.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
46635 posts
Posted on 4/11/22 at 7:56 pm to
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Poland has vowed to build Europe's strongest military within the next 5 years.


Again, I don't think I can accurately express how much your average Pole hates Russia.

The conversation came up when we were there eating at the officer's club in Krakow. Polish baws were ready to run through concrete walls at the mention of Russia.
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
5180 posts
Posted on 4/11/22 at 7:58 pm to
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If France leaves NATO can Germany take back Alsace–Lorraine just to give my family heritage a little more diversity? I have too much French right now.

A little territorial war isn’t too much to ask for the sake one’s diversity these days is it?


Bruh
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
5180 posts
Posted on 4/11/22 at 8:03 pm to
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I work with the French military regularly. They’re good. They were the only country that could operate in and over Libya without US support during the Libyan civil war and their intervention in Mali back in 2013 was impressive by any standard. Look that one up if you get the chance. Unfortunately it’s spiraled into France’s version of Iraq/Afghanistan now.


Not technical by any means, but I was impressed with their response to Syria. They didn’t waste time to frick some shite up when ISIS attacked Paris.
Posted by PassingThrough
Member since Sep 2021
2622 posts
Posted on 4/11/22 at 8:13 pm to
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For good measure, frick China. Japan should arm up rapidly.
y

It ain't China sending missiles into their air space and there is no love lost between Korea and Japan.
Posted by dallastigers
Member since Dec 2003
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Posted on 4/11/22 at 8:23 pm to
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Royal



Posted by Capt ST
High Plains
Member since Aug 2011
13706 posts
Posted on 4/11/22 at 8:27 pm to
France has always looked good on paper. Let’s not act like NATO is done without them.
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
5180 posts
Posted on 4/11/22 at 8:40 pm to
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y

It ain't China sending missiles into their air space and there is no love lost between Korea and Japan.


Because our own govt has sold us out to them over the last several decades, they steal out tech and IP, and they’re the next challenge to our global economic and military standing. Doesn’t help they’re Holocausting a large group of minorities in their country. Covid.

If Xi wanted haircut to stop, he likely would. Haircut serves a purpose for him.

In the end, on a macro level they need to be dealt with before their long term approach to succession to global hegemony is completed.
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
5180 posts
Posted on 4/11/22 at 8:42 pm to
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France has always looked good on paper. Let’s not act like NATO is done without them.


Of course they’re not because we’re in it. Doesn’t mean it’s a good thing to lose a true partner in the alliance. That leaves us largely with just the Brits and the Canadians who participate much at all in the defense portion of the alliance.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 4/11/22 at 9:12 pm to
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Royal


tObsession is real
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
East Texas Lake
Member since Sep 2018
24472 posts
Posted on 4/11/22 at 9:14 pm to
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Again, I don't think I can accurately express how much your average Pole hates Russia.


It seems to me that the threat of nuclear war and perhaps chemical weapons is the big hammer Russia has. In a conflict with an opposing Air Force both AF and Navy Russia couldn't win. So they will swing the nuclear hammer as a deterrent. I don't see this changing.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 4/11/22 at 9:20 pm to
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France has always looked good on paper. Let’s not act like NATO is done without them.


Of course nato isn’t done if they leave lol. But if you’re calling France a paper tiger then you should probably just sit in the back and let the adults talk for a while.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
105862 posts
Posted on 4/11/22 at 9:49 pm to
Putin may gamble that he could use a single tactical nuke to break the stalemate in Ukraine without the west retaliating in kind. It's pushing all his chips to the middle of the table, but if his army begins disintegrating in the face of a logistics crisis and continued strong Ukrainian opposition, he may feel he has no choice. And, it could be a winning bet.
Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
Member since Sep 2020
43337 posts
Posted on 4/11/22 at 10:03 pm to
Yeah the French don't play. That much is known.
Posted by LeClerc
USVI
Member since Oct 2012
2841 posts
Posted on 4/11/22 at 10:06 pm to
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And, it could be a winning bet.


Then the West is a bunch of pussies if they let him get away with it. Something like that would change the world forever.
Posted by Dr RC
The Money Pit
Member since Aug 2011
61577 posts
Posted on 4/11/22 at 10:12 pm to
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For good measure, frick China. Japan should arm up rapidly.


To be fair, China (and pretty much every other Asian country TBH) has legitimate reasons to want to frick Japan up. Many major business and political leaders in Japan won't even admit the Rape of Nanjing happened. Japan loading up might actually push more Asian nations into China's sphere of influence.
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