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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 3/29/22 at 1:31 pm to OMLandshark
Posted on 3/29/22 at 1:31 pm to OMLandshark
So just for fun this AM I pulled up a bunch of T-72, T-80 and T-90 youtube vids by pro Russian vloggers. Let's just say I had fun the the comments... 
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Posted on 3/29/22 at 1:33 pm to StormyMcMan
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literally the ONE time that happened in this entire thread was a guy asking some women in Minsk if they had heard the "explosions". One said she had, the other hadn't. And yet somehow you can't move past this...
Lmao he brings this up on here AND the poli thread like 5 or 6 times a day
His other favorite quip is about the ghost of kiev. Just about every non troll poster instantly recognized that as ukrainian propaganda or just straight up a viral fake story but SDV brings it up several times each day.
I think his last 4 posts in this thread represent his longest streak of not typing the words “ghost of kiev” lol
This post was edited on 3/29/22 at 1:37 pm
Posted on 3/29/22 at 1:35 pm to BRIllini07
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This was based on faint memories of Russia annexing Crimea and whatever I remembered from that plus a perception that the Russian military is exceptionally strong.
I think a lot of us shared that same mindset. The last thing people cared about involving these two countries had Russia blasting them and taking what they wanted.
It does make me wonder what would have happened back then had the Obama administration along with the rest of Europe had done what we are seeing now. As far as I can remember, there were just some toothless sanctions and not much in the way of materiels like now. I could be wrong and don't remember big arms shipments back then. Of course we also spent the past several years training and restructuring the Ukrainians military to fight like us instead of them still using old Soviet doctrine and tactics.
This post was edited on 3/29/22 at 1:36 pm
Posted on 3/29/22 at 1:36 pm to BRIllini07
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I believe at least prior to this war Crimea was very pro-Russian
Your right, I believe. The population was majority russian-speaking prior to the invasion in 2014. I also think a majority supported the invasion beforehand. I've seen interviews with folks in the breakaway regions since the Russian occupation, and they all regret it now.
Posted on 3/29/22 at 1:41 pm to Royal
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I've seen interviews with folks in the breakaway regions since the Russian occupation, and they all regret it now.
Russians who moved into the occupied and Russia-claimed areas have had their lives bombed to rubble also. It seems unlikely that even these people would want to live under suffocating Russian rule.
Posted on 3/29/22 at 1:44 pm to Royal
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've seen interviews with folks in the breakaway regions since the Russian occupation, and they all regret it now
I was curious and found this article from Al Jazeera from May of 2021
LINK
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There is another looming catastrophe awaiting those in Crimea, at home.
Crimea is mostly known because of its southern coast, a subtropical, postcard-perfect sliver of verdant land filled with hotels, resorts and former residencies of top Communist leaders and Russian czars.
Most of the peninsula is, however, arid steppe and mountains.
The Soviet-built North Crimean Canal supplied 85 percent of water from the mighty Dnieper River making irrigated agriculture and population growth possible.
Ukraine shut down the canal in 2014, nearly obliterating agriculture in Crimea and forcing de-facto authorities to ration water supply in urban centres.
These days, Simferopol, the second-largest city on the Crimean Peninsula, gets water for three hours a day on weekdays and for five hours on weekends. Apartment building residents rush to fill their baths.
The water pumped from nearly-depleted reservoirs and polluted wells is sometimes dirty.
“I filled a bath once, and the water was the colour of brandy,” Edem Kurtveliyev, a medical doctor who lives in a nine-story apartment building in southern Simferopol, told Al Jazeera.
De-facto authorities announced multi-million projects to pump water from aquifers, but admit that the sole long-term solution to the water crisis is construction of pricey desalination plants.
“Desalination is the only way out,” Crimea’s pro-Russian head Sergey Aksyonov told the RIA Novosti news agency in December.
Four months later, he compared Ukraine’s refusal to reopen the canal to “state terrorism” and “genocide”.
Posted on 3/29/22 at 1:58 pm to IAmNERD
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Of course we also spent the past several years training and restructuring the Ukrainians military to fight like us instead of them still using old Soviet doctrine and tactics.
This is the most important piece of what's changed and why it could not have occurred like this under Obama (or even early Trump). The Ukrainians learned a lot in 2014 and they've been the beneficiaries of training and tutelage of 10th Group (among many others) for almost a decade.
I can't remember if it was in this thread or somewhere else, but the quote from a long-time Russia analyst along the lines of "I tried convincing everyone before the war that Russia wasn't 12 feet tall; now I am going to have to convince everyone that they aren't 4 feet tall, either" rings true. That also applies to the Ukrainians (from 2014 to now).
The Russian military specifically and national leadership more generally will need to do a lot of introspection and healthy self-criticism after all this. That likely will not happen as long as Putin is in power, but at some point in the future, they'll change things so they don't look like a bunch of clowns. They'll also need to come to terms with their economic and demographic limitations when it comes to projecting power; they are in no way shape or form a first-rate power any longer and will never be again in our lifetimes. In that sense they are far more like the French or British than they are like the US or China.
They also need to learn (again) not to play away games. They are historically the worst modern power when it comes to fighting wars off their home turf. They are just straight up bad at it. I am certain that the Poles and Baltics breath much more easily now than they did six weeks ago.
Posted on 3/29/22 at 2:03 pm to AbuTheMonkey
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They are historically the worst modern power when it comes to fighting wars off their home turf. They are just straight up bad at it.
Its painfully obvious they have ZERO concept of the operational staff.
Posted on 3/29/22 at 2:10 pm to StormyMcMan
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It looks like Russia is countering Switzerland’s sanctions by targeting one of the country’s top watchmakers.
Russia’s secret service has seized millions of dollars worth of luxurious Audemars Piguet timepieces in Moscow following the Swiss government’s implementation of economic sanctions against the country.
Special agents from Russia’s FSB took the high-priced timepieces during a raid on a local AP boutique, as reported by Bloomberg. The haul was said to be worth in the ballpark of several million dollars.
Russian officials said the watches were seized due to customs violations, but Swiss foreign affairs department officials believe the move was “most likely an arbitrary repressive measure in response to the sanctions,” according to a confidential memo.
Posted on 3/29/22 at 2:20 pm to Jim Rockford
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It looks like Russia is countering Switzerland’s sanctions by targeting one of the country’s top watchmakers.
Russia’s secret service has seized millions of dollars worth of luxurious Audemars Piguet timepieces in Moscow following the Swiss government’s implementation of economic sanctions against the country.
Special agents from Russia’s FSB took the high-priced timepieces during a raid on a local AP boutique, as reported by Bloomberg. The haul was said to be worth in the ballpark of several million dollars.
Russian officials said the watches were seized due to customs violations, but Swiss foreign affairs department officials believe the move was “most likely an arbitrary repressive measure in response to the sanctions,” according to a confidential memo.
Soviet Union/Russia:
1985. I hope we can stop their thousands of tanks rolling through the Fulda Gap.
2022. I hope they don't steal our luxury timepieces.
Posted on 3/29/22 at 2:30 pm to StormyMcMan
quote:Russia didn't think this through in 2014.
Four months later, he compared Ukraine’s refusal to reopen the canal to “state terrorism” and “genocide”.
Crimea River.
Posted on 3/29/22 at 2:51 pm to soccerfüt
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Crimea River.
oh thats good
Posted on 3/29/22 at 3:11 pm to Lakeboy7
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Its painfully obvious they have ZERO concept of the operational staff.
They have zero concept of NCOs either. It paralyzes them operationally in many cases and gets their higher-ranking officers killed at a pretty high clip.
Posted on 3/29/22 at 3:17 pm to JohnnyKilroy
quote:White hot anger at Chad talking to Stacey is my guess.
Lmao he brings this up on here AND the poli thread like 5 or 6 times a day
Posted on 3/29/22 at 3:20 pm to Jim Rockford
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Audemars Piguet
Audemars that’s losing time, hidden behind all these big rocks?
Posted on 3/29/22 at 3:24 pm to Brisketeer
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They have zero concept of NCOs either.
It's a feature, not a bug. A well equipped, well trained, competent army, with leaders who think for themselves and take the initiative, is a threat to the regime. The politburo doesn't trust the generals, who don't trust the colonels, who don't trust the junior officers, who don't trust the NCOs, who don't trust the enlisted. And everybody is stealing the place blind.
Posted on 3/29/22 at 3:31 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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Just about every non troll poster instantly recognized that as ukrainian propaganda or just straight up a viral fake story but SDV brings it up several times each day.
Sure you recognized that
The new one was Russian soliders are running their generals over with tanks
Posted on 3/29/22 at 3:48 pm to Jim Rockford
You’re exactly right… it’s a hallmark of authoritarian regimes… competent military leadership is a threat to the person/persons in power.
It’s why Stalin murdered thousands of military leaders in the lead up to WW2… the Soviets had been at war for years and should’ve had tons of competent/experienced commanders… instead they had none.
It’s why Putin fired/killed the guy who modernized the Russian military a decade ago… now he’s got some yes-man clueless puppet who just had a “heart attack” last week.
It’s why Stalin murdered thousands of military leaders in the lead up to WW2… the Soviets had been at war for years and should’ve had tons of competent/experienced commanders… instead they had none.
It’s why Putin fired/killed the guy who modernized the Russian military a decade ago… now he’s got some yes-man clueless puppet who just had a “heart attack” last week.
Posted on 3/29/22 at 3:56 pm to SDVTiger
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Sure you recognized that
The new one was Russian soliders are running their generals over with tanks
Uhhh, I think that one was confirmed by *actual* Russian and American news sources, as well as other sources around the world
GotDAMN you can't help but make yourself seem dumber and dumber with each post, can you?
ETA -
here's your required emoticons:
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