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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 3/23/22 at 3:14 pm to
Posted by Jim Rockford
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Posted on 3/23/22 at 3:14 pm to
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Putin cannot have a stalemate. He will move more troops in.




The question is where will he get them.
Posted by TexasForever
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Posted on 3/23/22 at 3:17 pm to
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 3/23/22 at 3:28 pm to
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So if a modern army ( like the US) sent in 200k ground troops for a full scale invasion nearly 50% would be support troops ? Astonishing what it takes to keep modern combat units effective.


Yep. It takes a lot of support to keep one man militarily useful.

"An army marches on its stomach." -- Napoleon Bonaparte
"Where are all these fricking Russians coming from and why is it so goddamned cold?!" -- Also Napoleon Bonaparte
This post was edited on 3/23/22 at 3:29 pm
Posted by SoonerK
Member since Nov 2021
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Posted on 3/23/22 at 3:35 pm to


If this is true, it looks like Russia's best hope is to go all in on taking Kharkiv and Mariupol which would threaten to envelop the UAF Eastern force and hold Kherson. Then negotiate with some chips in hand.
This post was edited on 3/23/22 at 3:37 pm
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 3/23/22 at 3:39 pm to
I also note that Russia sent Mariupol an ultimatum to surrender three days ago. The defenders dismissed the ultimatum and Russia hasn't made any headway since. It seems to have been a bluff.
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 3/23/22 at 3:40 pm to
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threaten to envelop the UAF Eastern force and hold Kherson


Thats going to require maneuvering and holding ground, I dont think they do either/or.
Posted by phunkatron
Member since Jun 2019
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Posted on 3/23/22 at 3:41 pm to
There may not be much left of Mariupol soon enough, with Russia openly declaring that they are "cleansing" the city of "Nazis" and "bandits" now.
Posted by jfan244888
Soda City, SC
Member since Jul 2021
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Posted on 3/23/22 at 3:54 pm to
LINK

Even the upper ranks of the Russian military are stressed out.
Posted by AbuTheMonkey
Chicago, IL
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 3/23/22 at 4:01 pm to
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Probably a third to a half of the initial invasion force were combat arms if they are structured anything like most other modern armies.
So if a modern army ( like the US) sent in 200k ground troops for a full scale invasion nearly 50% would be support troops ? Astonishing what it takes to keep modern combat units effective.


Probably at least that. Tooth to tail in the U.S. Army stands somewhere in the 1:10 to 1:12 range as a standing force (i.e., not deployed), if I remember correctly. We typically roll with something in the 35 - 45 Brigade Combat Teams (BCT's) on active duty at any one time + 9 Marine RCT's + 5 SF Groups + a Ranger Regiment + whatever other mish mash SOF units roll around out there.

If you do the math and account for a million different nuances, we typically stand with ~100,000 - 150,000 combat arms soldiers and Marines in our active units at any one time (was closer to 150,000 at the height of the Iraq War if I remember correctly).

Ours is bigger than the Russian military, but I'll take an educated guess and say they likely have a sharper tooth to tail ratio (generally, the more modern a force, the longer the tail usually is); maybe in the 5:1 - 7:1 range? That still doesn't leave a lot of combat arms units for them to leverage if they're getting chewed up at the rate of 10,000 casualties / week. They don't have the money or manpower to sustain that for more than another few months even if they start throwing in all of their reservists.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 3/23/22 at 4:05 pm to
55km in two days is damn near a route.

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Carla Babb

@CarlaBabbVOA

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#BREAKING #Ukrainians have pushed the #Russians back to about 55 kilometers east & northeast of #Kyiv according to sr. def official. "yesterday we were telling you they were about 20 to 30 km away" #UkraineUnderAtta?k


Posted by jfan244888
Soda City, SC
Member since Jul 2021
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Posted on 3/23/22 at 4:09 pm to
Looks like they gained 15 miles if breathing room. With this and the encirclement Ukraine had a pretty decent day.

Posted by Wermanium
Member since Apr 2016
760 posts
Posted on 3/23/22 at 4:10 pm to
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55km in two days is damn near a route.


55 - 30 is 25.

25km in two days.

Unless I read it wrong.

Still impressive.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 3/23/22 at 4:14 pm to
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even if they start throwing in all of their reservists.


IIRC the vast majority of their reservists never do any training after leaving active duty. Have to think most of them would take several months of intensive drilling to be anything but a liability. And that many or most would do whatever they could to avoid being mobilized.
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
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Posted on 3/23/22 at 4:37 pm to
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There may not be much left of Mariupol soon enough, with Russia openly declaring that they are "cleansing" the city of "Nazis" and "bandits" now.


Drone footage looks really bleak. LINK
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
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Posted on 3/23/22 at 4:39 pm to
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@AmichaiStein1
Where Is Shoigu?

After not appearing for 12 days, Source in the Russian defense minister’s told investigative outlet @wwwagentsmedia that Russian defence minister Sergey Shoigu is unwell and has "heart problems"


Oh…OH
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 3/23/22 at 4:39 pm to
Putin's Bombers Could Devastate Ukraine But He's Holding Back. Here's Why

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As destructive as the Ukraine war is, Russia is causing less damage and killing fewer civilians than it could, U.S. intelligence experts say.

Russia’s conduct in the brutal war tells a different story than the widely accepted view that Vladimir Putin is intent on demolishing Ukraine and inflicting maximum civilian damage—and it reveals the Russian leader’s strategic balancing act. […] Understanding the thinking behind Russia’s limited attacks could help map a path towards peace, experts say.


In nearly a month since Russia invaded, dozens of Ukrainian cities and towns have fallen, and the fight over the country’s largest cities continues. United Nations human rights specialists say that some 900 civilians have died in the fighting (U.S. intelligence puts that number at least five times UN estimates). About 6.5 million Ukrainians have also become internally displaced (15 percent of the entire population), half of them leaving the country to find safety.

“The destruction is massive,” a senior analyst working at the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) tells Newsweek, “especially when compared with what Europeans and Americans are used to seeing.”

But, the analyst says, the damage associated with a contested ground war involving peer opponents shouldn’t blind people to what is really happening. (The analyst requested anonymity in order to speak about classified matters.) “The heart of Kyiv has barely been touched. And almost all of the long-range strikes have been aimed at military targets.”
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 3/23/22 at 4:43 pm to
New Stinger v old bomber= old bomber getting shot down
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 3/23/22 at 4:53 pm to
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Looks like they gained 15 miles if breathing room. With this and the encirclement Ukraine had a pretty decent day.




LINK

That was the map as of yesterday. Russia has been trying to cut off the UAF forces in Chernihiv which has stalled the Russian pincher that was supposed to encircle Kyiv from the east. If this news about pushing Russian forces an additional 15 km away from the eastern is true then it is big news because the Ukies have pushed the Russians away from the M01. The M01 highway is a nice 4 lane highway that was just completely repaved last year and was suppose to be the main artery of advance for the Russians, but has been a major supply route for the Ukies.

ETA:



The Ukies have captured themselves some encrypted Russian radios from a Spetznaz team in the Kyiv area.
This post was edited on 3/23/22 at 5:11 pm
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45821 posts
Posted on 3/23/22 at 5:05 pm to
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If this is true, it looks like Russia's best hope is to go all in on taking Kharkiv and Mariupol which would threaten to envelop the UAF Eastern force and hold Kherson. Then negotiate with some chips in hand.



Like what they have been trying to do, but the Ukies have actually pushed their forces back away from Mariupol. Mariupol is still surrounded but any gains are good considering that the Russian only have a thin encirclement around the city.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 3/23/22 at 5:07 pm to
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GumboPot


Here is another Kremlin mouthpiece right on time.
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