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Posted on 6/20/25 at 11:39 pm to CitizenK
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The Kremlin has always looked to drive a wedge between segments of the public. Don't forget that Wikileaks first went after Republicans when Obama was in office. The leaks were out of context but there they were.
Social media has made many a whack job credible to the clueless and some not so clueless but pissed off.
Multiple times during the election, Zelensky promoted Biden and disparaged Trump, Again at the mineral deal meeting he started a fight with Trump.
The Ukrainian people deserved someone who would put them over US politics.
Biden on his part went all in on giving Ukraine everything and promising them more.
Their relationship was too close.
Did the Kremlin use that to drive a wedge?
Sure, but in their cases there was a real problematic relationship that was not putting the country of either first.
Posted on 6/21/25 at 12:18 am to Narax
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Biden on his part went all in on giving Ukraine everything and promising them more.
Lawd, Biden held back in giving anything until Great Britain started giving and others. Then he gave old stripped down arms. The Patriots came from Euro nations, I think Germany. The F-16's came from Euro nations and at end of airframe lifespan. They got cluster munitions in shells and Himars rockets which were supposed to be destroyed from an Obama EO that Trump didn't change. To top it off everything given regardless of age and remaining lifespan was given full retail value when giving actually saved us money from cost to destroy.
Posted on 6/21/25 at 4:21 am to Coeur du Tigre
Elon weighs in again. So there are 'forms'? His DOGE weasles must have downloaded the WH personnel files. And lots more.
Posted on 6/21/25 at 6:50 am to Coeur du Tigre
4:21 am.
All nighter again?
Preparing myself for the binge posts.
All nighter again?
Preparing myself for the binge posts.
Posted on 6/21/25 at 6:57 am to cypher
Russia attacks with 280 drones and missiles overnight, strikes only in Kremenchuk – Air Force
Roman Petrenko — Saturday, 21 June 2025, 10:32
The Russians attacked Ukraine with 280 aerial targets on the night of 20-21 June. Strikes were recorded in the city of Kremenchuk, Poltava Oblast, and debris of downed targets fell in three locations.
Source: Ukrainian Air Force
Details: The Russians attacked with 272 UAVs, two Kh-47 M2 Kinzhal aeroballistic missiles, four Kalibr cruise missiles and two Iskander-K cruise missiles.
The Air Force reported that Ukrainian air defence managed to shoot down 140 UAVs, three Iskander-K missiles, one Kinzhal missile and one Kalibr missile.
They said that 112 drones, one Kinzhal missile, one Iskander-K missile and one Kalibr missile disappeared from radar.
The main target of the strike was the city of Kremenchuk.
Background: On 21 June, Russian forces once again launched a large-scale and combined attack on Kremenchuk in Poltava Oblast, resulting in strikes and debris falling.
Ukrainska Pravda
Roman Petrenko — Saturday, 21 June 2025, 10:32
The Russians attacked Ukraine with 280 aerial targets on the night of 20-21 June. Strikes were recorded in the city of Kremenchuk, Poltava Oblast, and debris of downed targets fell in three locations.
Source: Ukrainian Air Force
Details: The Russians attacked with 272 UAVs, two Kh-47 M2 Kinzhal aeroballistic missiles, four Kalibr cruise missiles and two Iskander-K cruise missiles.
The Air Force reported that Ukrainian air defence managed to shoot down 140 UAVs, three Iskander-K missiles, one Kinzhal missile and one Kalibr missile.
They said that 112 drones, one Kinzhal missile, one Iskander-K missile and one Kalibr missile disappeared from radar.
The main target of the strike was the city of Kremenchuk.
Background: On 21 June, Russian forces once again launched a large-scale and combined attack on Kremenchuk in Poltava Oblast, resulting in strikes and debris falling.
Ukrainska Pravda
Posted on 6/21/25 at 7:11 am to cypher
Posted on 6/21/25 at 7:57 am to CitizenK
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The Patriots came from Euro nations, I think Germany.
Not true.
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As of 2025, Ukraine has received six fully-operational Patriot batteries
Two from the United States
Two from Germany
One from a joint contribution by Germany and the Netherlands
One from Romania
In addition, the batteries are of no use without the missiles, which besides the initial ones years ago are a dedicated US supply.
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They got cluster munitions in shells and Himars rockets which were supposed to be destroyed from an Obama EO that Trump didn't change
There is no chance that the Himars being sent to Ukraine were slated for decommissioned.
You want to pretend that we haven't given Ukraine objects of incredible value?
Why? Its obviously a lie.
https://www.defensenews.com/pentagon/2024/06/20/white-house-redirects-air-defense-interceptors-to-embattled-ukraine/
Literally off the production lines. Latest and greatest.
You know when people act like the US isn't worthy of thanks, it validates Trumps arguments.
You also support Russian claims of Ukraine not being thankful.
Is that true? That Ukraine supporters are not thankful for the sacrifices America has made to get them arms?
Because we could stop... I mean if it's not important we could just... stop...
The Israelis seem more grateful anyway.
Posted on 6/21/25 at 8:10 am to Narax
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There is a problem where people connect the Ukraine War with Joe Biden and the progressives.
I don't think it's the liberal support of Ukraine that is the issue, it's the fervour of the support by some on the left. It's almost religious at this point.
Posted on 6/21/25 at 8:12 am to Narax
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You want to pretend that we haven't given Ukraine objects of incredible value?
Some here including the one you replied to pretend that we were just going to throw away pretty much everything we've sent Ukraine
Posted on 6/21/25 at 8:36 am to Narax
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You know when people act like the US isn't worthy of thanks, it validates Trumps arguments.
No one is acting like that here on this thread. Of course a lot has been given, but a lot has been overvalued by the Pentagon for replacement even though much has already been replaced 30+ years ago.
Trump embellishes like a mofo. Anyone, even a Trump supporter like me, who hasn't seen this, is retarded. Definitely not my style but I get it when dealing with the general public who truly is rather clueless this decade thanks to social media and thinking that they can Google anything and know about it instantly.
Posted on 6/21/25 at 8:45 am to VolSquatch
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I don't think it's the liberal support of Ukraine that is the issue, it's the fervour of the support by some on the left. It's almost religious at this point.
If only there were another war the other half want to get us involved in, that is pretty much wholly religious. Your silence there is deafening
Posted on 6/21/25 at 10:12 am to VolSquatch
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Some here including the one you replied to pretend that we were just going to throw away pretty much everything we've sent Ukraine
Yup was illogical, and no less anti American than the crap JB pushed.
Posted on 6/21/25 at 10:21 am to CitizenK
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No one is acting like that here on this thread. Of course a lot has been given, but a lot has been overvalued by the Pentagon for replacement even though much has already been replaced 30+ years ago.
None of that is Himars or Patriots, none of that is 155mm shells.
All of those could be sold for far more than the stated value in the middle east to the Saudis or Emitraties.
But remember, Biden's administration set the numbers, and it was pure accounting.
The replacement cost is accurate, but doesn't map to the value.
If we look at Russia they are taking mothballed T72s and Bears and trying to make them battle worthy.
The American strategic reserve is the same.
We will not be able to produce enough F35s and Golden Dome (whatever that is) quick enough if we go to war with China, so we will need to use obsolete gear, not on the front lines of a China fight, but in reserve in Poland.
I think we did as well as we could by Ukraine, but I've seen numerous Euro Trash claiming the US betrayed Ukraine.
Posted on 6/21/25 at 10:54 am to VolSquatch
Thanks guys, regarding the spending and supply in ukraine. When you bundle it all, the "loans", the congress bills, the depletion allowance, the UN, the World bank, USAID, various other departments, the spending is well over 200 billion.
Now the argument is, they were relics and had to be replaced. Well the replacement value was budgeted in the military budget. So if the aforementioned were true.......where did the 200 plus billion go????? It went to new weapons.
In fact many of these weapons will still be delivered going into 2027 because they have not been made.....does that sound like relics????
Now the argument is, they were relics and had to be replaced. Well the replacement value was budgeted in the military budget. So if the aforementioned were true.......where did the 200 plus billion go????? It went to new weapons.
In fact many of these weapons will still be delivered going into 2027 because they have not been made.....does that sound like relics????
Posted on 6/21/25 at 10:56 am to Narax
Thanks Narax, Id also like to see what europe has delivered. They pledge, like they pledged to global warming and 2% budgeted to NATO, how did that work out???
Posted on 6/21/25 at 11:47 am to Coeur du Tigre
Posted on 6/21/25 at 12:07 pm to Coeur du Tigre
This same cuck advocating for undemocratic rigging of elections. Cope d Tiger is a far left radical. 
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If tweet fails to load, click here.Posted on 6/21/25 at 12:59 pm to SirWinston
Just heard this week that they are claiming "irregularities" in the recent Polish Presidential race.
The EU/European governments are a modern day version of the Soviet system. Modern day authoritarians.
The amount of political races and politicians that they have gone after is alarming.
They curb free speech and try to stifle any opposition that they are opposed to just to try and hold on to power.
The sooner that evil organization dies the better.
The EU/European governments are a modern day version of the Soviet system. Modern day authoritarians.
The amount of political races and politicians that they have gone after is alarming.
They curb free speech and try to stifle any opposition that they are opposed to just to try and hold on to power.
The sooner that evil organization dies the better.
This post was edited on 6/21/25 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 6/21/25 at 1:08 pm to AU86
Reminder- this is the war thread.
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