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Posted on 3/8/22 at 9:20 am to REG861
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Can’t wait to see how the PB spins this one
Why would anyone spin that?
Posted on 3/8/22 at 9:22 am to Champagne
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Yes. Russia is at war with only Ukraine and there is no threat of any nation intervening to help Ukraine. None.
to answer you have to define “win”… can Russia achieve its political goal of installing a pro-Russian gov in Kyiv?… it will need to be backed by the full force of the Russian military… that’s is wholly unsustainable.
Putin is trapped… anything short of regime change in Ukraine is a failure… but to do so will cost him dearly in men and resources.
Posted on 3/8/22 at 9:25 am to JohnnyKilroy
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I mean financially. Russia’s economy right now is in the gutter and is getting substantially worse by the day.
There are so many unknowns, but, your point here definitely deserves more thought. My thinking is that Russia is settling in for a long war, and by long war, I mean a war that will last for years and not months. Russia may calculate that they can spread the monetary costs out over the course of a few years.
Russia knows that they may have to resort to surrounding major urban areas, bombarding them and starving them out. They may be prepared to pursue this strategy for a few years of conflict in Ukraine.
I do agree with those who tell us that things are not going exactly as estimated in Russia's most optimistic time-schedule of planned events.
It's going to be difficult to find truthful reporting, folks. People are understandably following hourly war events with great interest, but, I am reminded of the fact that our Mass Media has never been LESS focused on investigating, analyzing and reporting with truth and objectivity.
Our mass media institutions have been controlled for decades by political circles that have transformed them into Propaganda and Info War agencies and not true "News Outlets".
Posted on 3/8/22 at 9:25 am to lowspark12
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to answer you have to define “win”… can Russia achieve its political goal of installing a pro-Russian gov in Kyiv?… it will need to be backed by the full force of the Russian military… that’s is wholly unsustainable.
Putin is trapped… anything short of regime change in Ukraine is a failure… but to do so will cost him dearly in men and resources.
Yeah, I have no idea what he thinks the ultimate outcome will be. That's why I was confident he would never launch a full invasion. There's no way he can control that place even if he does take it over. The only real option he has is to hope that he can get Ukraine to settle for losing Crimea and the eastern regions in exchange for a withdrawal.
Posted on 3/8/22 at 9:29 am to lowspark12
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to answer you have to define “win”… can Russia achieve its political goal of installing a pro-Russian gov in Kyiv?… it will need to be backed by the full force of the Russian military… that’s is wholly unsustainable.
It will never be sustainable.
Posted on 3/8/22 at 9:30 am to lowspark12
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can Russia achieve its political goal of installing a pro-Russian gov in Kyiv?
I agree that this is a Russian objective. Have you thought about the possibility that Russia can achieve that goal AFTER peace comes and can do so via a technique called "Subversion"? Russia perhaps embeds assets within Ukraine - assets that will remain there and work to subvert Ukraine until any Ukrainian Govt not aligned with Russia fails?
If the whole strategic calculus boils down to a war of attrition - which side can sustain the most suffering for the longest time - then Russia is more likely to intentionally cause indiscriminate bombardment of Ukrainian civilians. After all, that was US/UK strategy in WW2 - to bomb Germany to the point that the suffering of the people caused the Nazi Govt to give up. Sure, one objective of the bombing was to destroy German war industry but the other objective of causing suffering did exist.
This post was edited on 3/8/22 at 9:32 am
Posted on 3/8/22 at 9:33 am to John88
Hope that dude doesn't have a family in Russia 
Posted on 3/8/22 at 9:39 am to Champagne
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Russia is at war with only Ukraine and there is no threat of any nation intervening to help Ukraine. None.
Other nations (NATO nations) have been supplying Ukraine with weapons and intel.
Posted on 3/8/22 at 9:46 am to lowspark12
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to answer you have to define “win”… can Russia achieve its political goal of installing a pro-Russian gov in Kyiv?… it will need to be backed by the full force of the Russian military… that’s is wholly unsustainable.
Putin is trapped… anything short of regime change in Ukraine is a failure… but to do so will cost him dearly in men and resources.
this...I dont understand how so many think Putin is "winning" just bc his military is able to level buildings with artillery and cruise missiles.
Sustaining a force of 200k in a place like ukraine would be challenging even if there was no resistance.
I dont think he counted on the amount of resolve from the Ukrainian military or their population.
Putin's best hope is that the Ukrainian government gives up soon...or else he is screwed.
Posted on 3/8/22 at 9:49 am to LSUBoo
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Other nations (NATO nations) have been supplying Ukraine with weapons and intel.
Yes, I understand this, but, no ground troops, no NATO-piloted combat aircraft and no NATO naval combat task forces.
Posted on 3/8/22 at 9:51 am to SDVTiger
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quote: Can’t wait to see how the PB spins this one Why would anyone spin that?
Ask your brethren over there who unironically told me that the Oligarchs are ok because they’re the “good” kind of elites.
Posted on 3/8/22 at 9:52 am to Champagne
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Yes, I understand this, but, no ground troops, no NATO-piloted combat aircraft and no NATO naval combat task forces.
And we are hopefully not going to see that... we all know where it would be headed.
The question is, can the indirect assistance be enough when it's all going to one side?
Posted on 3/8/22 at 9:53 am to Sooner5030
This is the first time I've seen Chinese reporter with boots on the ground (ETA: on the Russian side). This is Mariupol.
LINK
From the comments:
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From the comments:
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Anchor: The battle / war in Mariupol Eastern Ukraine is still going on. Lets connect to our reporter who is live at the frontline.
Reporter: We are now at Mariupol. This is an ambulance that is saving lives at the frontlines in Mariupol.
"Here on is translation of subtitles"
Soldier: Are you Chinese reporter?
Reporter: Do I not look like? Of course! You guys stay closer, even closer
(Soldiers pose for photo)
Reporter: Can you answer some questions? The situation is bad here right?
Gopnik (local guy): Heres the center of the war. Everyones staying in the basement. During war bullets and bombs are indiscriminate. The Ukraine army is shooting in this direction, they sometimes time the buildings here and people get wounded / die. We have a babushka who was shot and died. Other than this, only buildings are damaged.
Reporter: The battle / fighting in Mariupol is very dire. This guy here is a soldier who is fighting in Mariupol.
Reporter: Whats your name
Soldier: Sasha
Reporter: Sasha, how long have you been here for?
Soldier: 8 days, been fighting around here.
Reporter: The war today is just starting?
Soldier: Yea just starting now.
Reporter: How far is the fighting.
Soldier: Distance from here? Around 1 km.
Reporter: Are you nervous?
Soldier: No
Reporter: Why not?
Soldier: HAHA, I have been fighting for 8 years.
Reporter: Veteran! Thank you!
Soldier: Thank you too.
Reporter: We can see that the fighting in Mariupol is still very dire. Especially there are more soldiers rotating to the frontline, and more serious casualties. The end. This is a report from Phoenix InfoNews
This post was edited on 3/8/22 at 10:43 am
Posted on 3/8/22 at 9:55 am to Champagne
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Other nations (NATO nations) have been supplying Ukraine with weapons and intel. Yes, I understand this, but, no ground troops, no NATO-piloted combat aircraft and no NATO naval combat task forces
Maybe not officially …. Plenty of reports of former soldiers and special forces from many countries going to Ukraine .. Imo they have help even it’s in a secretive non official capacity ….
Posted on 3/8/22 at 9:56 am to LSUBoo
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The question is, can the indirect assistance be enough when it's all going to one side?
Unknown. And we also can't be sure about the extent of this NATO military assistance to Ukraine. We see "news" reporting but as I've pointed out previously - all "news" reporting is unreliable.
When somebody sees US tanks manned by Ukrainian tank crews in combat in Ukraine, please let us know. When the US is supplying tanks, guns and combat aircraft to Ukraine, let us know. THAT is REAL "military assistance".
Posted on 3/8/22 at 9:57 am to bayou39
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Plenty of reports
Reports that may not be completely reliable or accurate.
Posted on 3/8/22 at 9:59 am to Champagne
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There are so many unknowns, but, your point here definitely deserves more thought. My thinking is that Russia is settling in for a long war, and by long war, I mean a war that will last for years and not months. Russia may calculate that they can spread the monetary costs out over the course of a few years.
Russia won’t be able to sustain that. These sanctions are destroying their economy and more sanctions are on the way. They are cut off from most of the developed world and their biggest ally can’t afford to keep them afloat indefinitely.
Posted on 3/8/22 at 10:02 am to JohnnyKilroy
Told yall this was coming. US is about to ban imports of russian oil.
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