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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 3/8/22 at 10:32 am to
Posted by Sooner5030
Desert Southwest
Member since Sep 2014
1740 posts
Posted on 3/8/22 at 10:32 am to
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And Ukraine can?


Ukraine is the home team. They arent projecting a large force into a foreign land. And they are defending their homeland. The two sides have much different perspectives.

Posted by REG861
Ocelot, Iowa
Member since Oct 2011
38244 posts
Posted on 3/8/22 at 10:33 am to
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This is the first time I've seen Chinese reporter with boots on the ground. This is Mariupol.



There could be some bad fallout if a Chinese citizen/reporter is killed out there.
Posted by phunkatron
Member since Jun 2019
1444 posts
Posted on 3/8/22 at 10:36 am to
Obviously the location, etc... need to be verified.

But that's straight up murder.
Posted by John88
Member since Sep 2015
6433 posts
Posted on 3/8/22 at 10:39 am to
Not sure if posted or not. This shite is nuts.

quote:

"Drunk Russian soldiers" shot and killed a 10-year-old Ukrainian girl while shooting aimlessly at a village outside of Kyiv, according to the girl’s family.

Anastasia Stoluk, also called Nastya, died on Feb. 28 in a village located about 40 miles from Ukraine’s capital, the girl’s cousin Anya Stoluk told The Times.

A Ukrainian teenage boy had allegedly fired a gun into the air that day, and Russian soldiers reportedly responded by shooting at houses in the village of Shybene.

"The soldiers heard [the teenager firing the gun] but since they were so drunk they didn't know where it was from, so they just started shooting everywhere they could see," Vera Dmitrienko, Stoluk’s mother, told The Times.

"[The Russian soldiers] looted all the stores, of course they got a lot of alcohol ... and got drunk and started shooting."

Dmitrienko said the soldiers fired into the girl’s house as she was there with her uncle and died "immediately."

The soldiers allegedly prevented Nastya’s mother from visiting the local cemetery, and the young girl was buried in the backyard.

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This post was edited on 3/8/22 at 10:40 am
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
TeamBunt General Manager
Member since Apr 2013
62514 posts
Posted on 3/8/22 at 10:40 am to
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There could be some bad fallout if a Chinese citizen/reporter is killed out there.
China doesn’t give a frick about Chinese people getting killed overseas lol. They just send more people over. Those motherfrickers are like ants.
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
139062 posts
Posted on 3/8/22 at 10:42 am to
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Obviously the location, etc... need to be verified.

But that's straight up murder.

Just let me start out by saying that I'm not pro-Russia in any way, shape, or form. I don't support their invasion and I hope the Ukrainians handily beat them.

All that being said, I have no doubt that this kind of thing happened God knows how many times by US/allied forces during the last 20 years of the GWOT. Unfortunately, this is the stuff that happens during a war. There's a chance that they just wanted to kill those people, but there's also a chance that it was simply due to those people unknowingly getting too close to the vehicle. Again, I'm in no way condoning that.
Posted by southpawcock
Member since Oct 2015
17799 posts
Posted on 3/8/22 at 10:44 am to
I am not condoning what Russia is doing at all, obviously, and I am definitely not into discussing politics on tRant - one board I never visit. But what is the explanation for the relative peace between Russia and the region and with us really, with Trump in office versus Obama and now Biden? Didn't the whole Crimea thing happen with Obama in office?

I am admittedly ill-informed about all of this.
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
139062 posts
Posted on 3/8/22 at 10:44 am to
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"Today, the average gas price in America hit an all-time record high of over $4/gallon. OK, that stings, but a clean conscience is worth a buck or two. It’s important. I’m willing to pay $4/gallon. Hell, I’ll pay $15 a gallon b/c I drive a Tesla"

Just a good ol democrat who looks out for the common man
Posted by Dr RC
The Money Pit
Member since Aug 2011
61507 posts
Posted on 3/8/22 at 10:46 am to
Seems like you're still having trouble understanding things that are obviously jokes.
Posted by REG861
Ocelot, Iowa
Member since Oct 2011
38244 posts
Posted on 3/8/22 at 10:47 am to
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I am not condoning what Russia is doing at all, obviously, and I am definitely not into discussing politics on tRant - one board I never visit. But what is the explanation for the relative peace between Russia and the region and with us really, with Trump in office versus Obama and now Biden? Didn't the whole Crimea thing happen with Obama in office?

I am admittedly ill-informed about all of this.




There's a lot to unpack there but without getting too much into the Trump doctrine (whatever it may have been) and this is all subjective, I think Russia viewed him much as the USSR viewed Reagan - with apprehension and caution over how he might respond to any aggression. Trump showed signs of being uh erratic and Putin was not going to test someone like that. Not meant to be a segue into the merits or criticisms of Trump.
This post was edited on 3/8/22 at 10:49 am
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
139062 posts
Posted on 3/8/22 at 10:48 am to
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I am not condoning what Russia is doing at all, obviously, and I am definitely not into discussing politics on tRant - one board I never visit. But what is the explanation for the relative peace between Russia and the region and with us really, with Trump in office versus Obama and now Biden? Didn't the whole Crimea thing happen with Obama in office?

I am admittedly ill-informed about all of this.


It depends on who you ask.

The left will say that it's because Trump was buddies with Putin and it all stopped because they were cozied up (don't really understand that argument)

The right will say it's because Trump was unpredictable and allegedly threatened to bomb Moscow if they went into Ukraine.

I'm not sure exactly the reasoning, but I do know Trump was the first president to send lethal aid into Ukraine.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
77532 posts
Posted on 3/8/22 at 10:49 am to
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Seems like you're still having trouble understanding things that are obviously jokes.
Was it also a joke when George Takei said that it was our patriotic duty to pay more for gasoline?

I don’t think these people are actually joking.
Posted by Dr RC
The Money Pit
Member since Aug 2011
61507 posts
Posted on 3/8/22 at 10:49 am to
Trump wanted to further his business interests in Russia (hotels, real estate) and was threatening to pull us out of NATO. Putin wanted to see if Trump would actually do it. He also wanted t withhold aid to Ukraine to force Zelensky to investigate Biden. That was a plus for Putin as well. As much as Trump likes to say he was harder on Russia than anyone he also complained that the various sanctions were too tough.
This post was edited on 3/8/22 at 10:52 am
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
120445 posts
Posted on 3/8/22 at 10:50 am to
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Seems like you're still having trouble understanding things that are obviously jokes.


Oh frick off RC. “A clean conscience is worth a buck or two.” This guy is not a comedian. He’s a propaganda elitist a-hole who is merely telling you to suck it up. This guy probably hasn’t entered a supermarket in well over a decade.

Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
139062 posts
Posted on 3/8/22 at 10:51 am to
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Trump wanted to further his business interests in Russia and was threatening to pull us out of NATO. Putin wanted to see if Trump would actually do it.



Good Lord. To the guy who asked the original question, disregard this horseshite
Posted by Duke
Dillon, CO
Member since Jan 2008
36494 posts
Posted on 3/8/22 at 10:52 am to
War in a foreign land, and OML outraged at some domestic politics BS in the thread.

As on brand as those drunk Russian soldiers.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
120445 posts
Posted on 3/8/22 at 10:53 am to
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Was it also a joke when George Takei said that it was our patriotic duty to pay more for gasoline?

I don’t think these people are actually joking.


Yeah he’s not joking. “A clean conscience is worth a buck or two.” He’s saying I’m better than you and to suck it up. He is a mere state propagandist. Rogan has an audience larger than all the late night hosts combined, so he sure as shite isn’t getting paid $15 million a year for the audience and the ratings. He’s merely there to keep the dummies content and in line. It’s Woke church.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
Cajun Navy Vice Admiral
Member since Oct 2012
41441 posts
Posted on 3/8/22 at 10:53 am to
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War in a foreign land, and OML outraged at some domestic politics BS in the thread.


Can set your watch to it
Posted by MrLSU
Yellowstone, Val d'isere
Member since Jan 2004
29908 posts
Posted on 3/8/22 at 10:54 am to
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I am not condoning what Russia is doing at all, obviously, and I am definitely not into discussing politics on--one board I never visit


quote:

I am admittedly ill-informed about all of this.


Wonder why?
This post was edited on 3/8/22 at 10:55 am
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