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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 11/20/24 at 6:48 pm to MoarKilometers
Posted on 11/20/24 at 6:48 pm to MoarKilometers
US may cancel almost US$5 billion in debt for Kyiv
Tetyana Oliynyk — Wednesday, 20 November 2024, 22:51
US President Joe Biden's administration has submitted to Congress a statement of intent to cancel half of Ukraine's economic aid debt, which is approximately US$4.65 billion.
Source: Voice of America, citing Matthew Miller, spokesperson for the US Department of State, at a briefing on Wednesday, 20 November
Details: The document grants Joe Biden the authority to forgive 50% of the loan provided to Kyiv in April 2024. At that time, the loan was part of additional appropriations for Ukraine's security, amounting to approximately US$61 billion. Of this, about US$10 billion was allocated to Kyiv as a conditionally repayable loan rather than in the form of a grant.
It is stipulated that effective 15 November 2024, a week after the US presidential election, the incumbent president may forgive up to 50% of the loan, while the incoming president will have the opportunity to forgive the remaining 50% on 1 January 2026.
Quote from Miller: "We have taken the step that was outlined in the law to cancel those loans, provide that economic assistance to Ukraine, and now Congress is welcome to take it up if they wish."
Details: Once the White House has notified Congress of the decision, lawmakers can pass a resolution to object to it. However, Miller believes this will not happen.
Ukrainska Pravda
Tetyana Oliynyk — Wednesday, 20 November 2024, 22:51
US President Joe Biden's administration has submitted to Congress a statement of intent to cancel half of Ukraine's economic aid debt, which is approximately US$4.65 billion.
Source: Voice of America, citing Matthew Miller, spokesperson for the US Department of State, at a briefing on Wednesday, 20 November
Details: The document grants Joe Biden the authority to forgive 50% of the loan provided to Kyiv in April 2024. At that time, the loan was part of additional appropriations for Ukraine's security, amounting to approximately US$61 billion. Of this, about US$10 billion was allocated to Kyiv as a conditionally repayable loan rather than in the form of a grant.
It is stipulated that effective 15 November 2024, a week after the US presidential election, the incumbent president may forgive up to 50% of the loan, while the incoming president will have the opportunity to forgive the remaining 50% on 1 January 2026.
Quote from Miller: "We have taken the step that was outlined in the law to cancel those loans, provide that economic assistance to Ukraine, and now Congress is welcome to take it up if they wish."
Details: Once the White House has notified Congress of the decision, lawmakers can pass a resolution to object to it. However, Miller believes this will not happen.
Ukrainska Pravda
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Posted on 11/20/24 at 7:23 pm to VolSquatch
I’m just here to point out that you all could fill 7 other threads a day on the politard board every day with the amount of shite that’s posted in this thread that has almost no meaning with the current situation.
And please do remember that VolSquatch isn’t against Ukraine, he’s just against any pro Ukrainian posters. He doesn’t challenge Lima, Winston, and the other few tards.
And please do remember that VolSquatch isn’t against Ukraine, he’s just against any pro Ukrainian posters. He doesn’t challenge Lima, Winston, and the other few tards.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 8:56 pm to notiger1997
They arent for Russia! They are against war!
Posted on 11/20/24 at 9:59 pm to SirWinston
Does this include abiding written agreements - like the Budapest Memorandum?
Many of anti-Zelensky posters references a peace that includes "security guarantees"..... like the Budapest Memorandum? That one party violated? This same party that would be a signatory of a new agreement? Would this agreement be mroe detailed on what each party would do if the Ukraine's sovereignty were violated again?
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We are the USA - we are necessarily held to higher standards than third world shitholes
Many of anti-Zelensky posters references a peace that includes "security guarantees"..... like the Budapest Memorandum? That one party violated? This same party that would be a signatory of a new agreement? Would this agreement be mroe detailed on what each party would do if the Ukraine's sovereignty were violated again?
Posted on 11/20/24 at 10:08 pm to cypher
Have they said what was destroyed at the Impulse factory in the Sumy region yet? I know they make all kinds of detonators but the explosion looked like there was a pretty good bit of ammunition of explosive material that went up.Hoping they wouldn’t use a detonator factory to store ATACMS but that is the general area they would be firing from to hit Kursk and beyond.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 10:31 pm to doubleb
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You think coming up with an analogy is being specific?
Yes, if you neglect something small it gets larger and larger and in time becomes a bigger and bigger problem.
A real world scenario.
A dictator sets his eyes on a neighboring country. He bullies the president into leaving the country and takes over.
He isn’t satisfied. He goes after another country that is stronger. The second country isn’t bullied, but his allies cave. The dictator rolls in.
By now the dictator is full of himself. He decides to go after a much bigger fish. Poland is right there. He cuts a deal with another dictator and they carve up four nations.
By now the rest of the world wakes up, but that small problem is a big one and it will continue to get bigger and bigger.
I was waiting to see how people responded, and maybe I missed it...
Did anyone even realize this "specific real-world scenario" you spoke of actually happened?
Posted on 11/20/24 at 10:43 pm to VolSquatch
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I never said they were going to take Poland again
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By now the dictator is full of himself. He decides to go after a much bigger fish. Poland is right there. He cuts a deal with another dictator and they carve up four nations.
he gave the example scenario of what happened with NAZI Germany in WWII... they cut a deal with Stalin to invade Poland from each direction and split it and what's below it in half...
Posted on 11/20/24 at 10:55 pm to Lee B
Posted on 11/20/24 at 11:04 pm to Lee B
Posted on 11/20/24 at 11:29 pm to TigersnJeeps
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Many of anti-Zelensky posters references a peace that includes "security guarantees"..... like the Budapest Memorandum? That one party violated? This same party that would be a signatory of a new agreement? Would this agreement be mroe detailed on what each party would do if the Ukraine's sovereignty were violated again?
Putin will honor any agreement as long as he has a gun to his head.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 11:37 pm to doubleb
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Vietnam?
Our big problem in Vietnam is that we inherited the French position and allies while the communists got the anti-imperialist nationalists and the 80% of the population that were Buddhists. Vietnam was about 20% (French) Catholic.
America inherited a bad hand from the French colonialists.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 4:46 am to Auburn1968
Russia seems to have used an ICBM against Ukraine last night, armed with a conventional warhead instead of nuclear.
EDIT: The supposed missile, the RS-26, is really an IRBM, not an ICBM.
Here's a video of the impacts:
EDIT: There's currently a lot of debate about what kind of missile it was. There are some suggestions that this was actually an Iranian missile.
EDIT: The supposed missile, the RS-26, is really an IRBM, not an ICBM.
Here's a video of the impacts:
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This post was edited on 11/21/24 at 5:01 am
Posted on 11/21/24 at 5:06 am to GOP_Tiger
I can't wait for Tucker's next visit to get his take on grocery store prices.
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Posted on 11/21/24 at 5:45 am to notiger1997
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And please do remember that VolSquatch isn’t against Ukraine, he’s just against any pro Ukrainian posters. He doesn’t challenge Lima, Winston, and the other few tards.
Pretty sure I’ve said Lima might be a Russia bot on multiple occasions, but don’t let that stop you from creating a narrative
if I haven’t, I am now. What does Winston say that needs to be challenged? It’s usually just “you’re all evil” or something like “Putin is saving the Christians” . Do you really need me to put my 2 cents in on that in order to wade through what is true and what is not?
I challenge the Ukraine posters because they either have decent arguments that I disagree with, or they are inaccurate (or just lying maybe, idk) about something and I think people need to know the truth.
None of the Ukraine First crowd go out of their way to correct their own when they are wrong, but it’s some kind of indictment on me when I don’t rush to correct people on “my side” of the issue, even though I share only a few similar opinions with them?
Posted on 11/21/24 at 5:47 am to TigersnJeeps
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Many of anti-Zelensky posters references a peace that includes "security guarantees"..... like the Budapest Memorandum? That one party violated? This same party that would be a signatory of a new agreement? Would this agreement be mroe detailed on what each party would do if the Ukraine's sovereignty were violated again?
You can’t trust Putin at all. And probably won’t be able to trust the next guy. But the reality is that this ends with a bunch of guys in suits around a table all pretending like the piece of paper they are signing will do what it’s intended to do.
This post was edited on 11/21/24 at 5:49 am
Posted on 11/21/24 at 5:49 am to Lee B
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he gave the example scenario of what happened with NAZI Germany in WWII... they cut a deal with Stalin to invade Poland from each direction and split it and what's below it in half...
Sure, but I asked for specificity. So rather than assume he wasn’t able to deliver a specific scenario, I assumed that he was saying history would repeat itself.
Next time I’ll just assume he wasn’t able to answer the question. Which is usually the case anyway.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 7:11 am to VolSquatch
British Defence Intelligence
UPDATE ON UKRAINE
21 November 2024
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
Before the invasion of Ukraine, Russia had attempted to build a modern, professional force capable of carrying out complex operations. After 1,000 days of the conflict Russia's land forces are radically different to the force that originally invaded Ukraine.
Russia's personnel losses of over 700,000 killed and wounded have drastically undermined Russia's force quality. Most personnel currently serving in the Russian military have received minimal training, and Russian commanders use basic tactics to make advances, despite the associated high casualty rates.
Russia has lost at least 3,500 main battle tanks and 7,500 armoured vehicles. Large stockpiles of tanks and armoured vehicles, a legacy of the Soviet Union, have been the only means for Russia to be able to replenish these major losses.
Despite the costs imposed on its land forces, Russian territorial advances in Ukraine have accelerated through 2024. This has been underpinned by the Russian leadership's tolerance for casualties, and Russia's land forces' quantitative overmatch relative to the Ukrainian Armed Forces. The frontline is now less stable than at any point since the opening stages of the conflict.
UPDATE ON UKRAINE
21 November 2024
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
Before the invasion of Ukraine, Russia had attempted to build a modern, professional force capable of carrying out complex operations. After 1,000 days of the conflict Russia's land forces are radically different to the force that originally invaded Ukraine.
Russia's personnel losses of over 700,000 killed and wounded have drastically undermined Russia's force quality. Most personnel currently serving in the Russian military have received minimal training, and Russian commanders use basic tactics to make advances, despite the associated high casualty rates.
Russia has lost at least 3,500 main battle tanks and 7,500 armoured vehicles. Large stockpiles of tanks and armoured vehicles, a legacy of the Soviet Union, have been the only means for Russia to be able to replenish these major losses.
Despite the costs imposed on its land forces, Russian territorial advances in Ukraine have accelerated through 2024. This has been underpinned by the Russian leadership's tolerance for casualties, and Russia's land forces' quantitative overmatch relative to the Ukrainian Armed Forces. The frontline is now less stable than at any point since the opening stages of the conflict.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 7:22 am to Lee B
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Did anyone even realize this "specific real-world scenario" you spoke of actually happened?
You make me wonder
Posted on 11/21/24 at 7:27 am to VolSquatch
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Next time I’ll just assume he wasn’t able to answer the question. Which is usually the case anyway.
Next time I won’t answer because there is no use discussing anything with a guy who talks in riddles and does it all to be cute and get attention. Your act is also getting old.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 7:57 am to GOP_Tiger
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I can't wait for Tucker's next visit to get his take on grocery store prices.
Tucker will probably weep on air. Biden the mastermind is behind all of this inflation.
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