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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 11/20/24 at 3:18 pm to NC_Tigah
Posted on 11/20/24 at 3:18 pm to NC_Tigah
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Perhaps the same thing it meant when Germany sent forces to Spain pre-WWII? It is an opportunity for Kim to test readiness, tactics, and effectiveness.
You could be right, or at least part of the reason.
Would the same logic apply to out missiles?
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Posted on 11/20/24 at 3:26 pm to VolSquatch
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How exactly would Russia be any closer to dominating the global pecking order even if they took the entire country? Be specific.
I'm actually interested to hear someone explain how them taking territory that they controlled within most of our lifetimes, not even that long ago, is going to tip the geopolitical scales.
China is watching this to assess how to go about its intended invasion of Taiwan and seizure and control of the Japanese Islands just beyond it and control of shipping lanes in that part of the world.
Every shithead despot who wants a neighboring state's land and resources is watching this...
The US has been the world's Sheriff since the end of WWII, pretty much... they're all trying to see what they can get away with...
Why did we care if Saddam "reclaimed" Kuwait?
Posted on 11/20/24 at 3:37 pm to Lee B
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The US has been the world's Sheriff since the end of WWII, pretty much... they're all trying to see what they can get away with...
And our two big blunders were getting involved in wars we shouldn't have.
Why did we care about Vietnam?
Is the world a worst place because we lost that war? Not really. Didn't make much of a difference at all.
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Why did we care if Saddam "reclaimed" Kuwait?
"caring" and "caring enough to spend billions to stop it" are different things. I would rather my community have a tennis court, not going to pay to build one though.
Even without US aid, Europe would have still helped. And that would be 100% justified. Europe likely would have stepped up to the plate even more.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 3:54 pm to VolSquatch
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Why did we care about Vietnam?
Why did we care about Korea? Vietnam?
I’d venture to say if we had done nothing the world would look a lot different than it does today.
Would the Communists have stopped there if we had done nothing? I seriously doubt it. There is know west of knowing, but who would stop them from taking Taiwan, Japan or the rest of Indo China.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 4:08 pm to doubleb
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Why did we care about Korea?
After watching the Indy Nidel series in The Korean War I would imagine had we not intervened, Stalin would have seen weakness and should have pushed through Europe as there was no will left in Europe to fight that close to WWII and the US military was a shell of our end of WWII might.
China would have taken Taiwan and probably intervened in Vietnam and Cambodia.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 4:08 pm to Pettifogger
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Make your case for why it wouldn't, based on what we've seen of the conventional Russian military over the past 3 years struggling to defeat a smaller military that does not have air dominance.
Sure:
- Every single sizable US military action in the last 150 years
Grenada?
How long did it take to defeat the Iraqi military in the first Gulf War?
How long did it take to defeat the Afghan military and the Iraqi military in the early 00s? The problem in those two places is we turned it into an occupation and then battled a wider insurgency... the Iraqi military rebranded itself as ISIS (becoming instantly devout Islamists after lifetimes of being Secular Ba'athists) and recruiting lots of fighters from elsewhere...
We did not fight in Korea or Vietnam to win, we fought to tie... that worked for South Korea, where enough of the population wanted to not fall under North Korean control... it didn't work in Vietnam, where most of the public thought rule by the North would be an improvement.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 4:13 pm to NC_Tigah
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You don't think he wants to assess readiness in case a southern opportunity presents?
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Posted on 11/20/24 at 4:23 pm to klrstix
quote:You aren't familiar with quality assurance / performance improvement concepts?
no
Posted on 11/20/24 at 4:26 pm to Lee B
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they're all trying to see what they can get away with...
What did China, Russia and North Korea do under Trump from 2016-2020?
Posted on 11/20/24 at 4:27 pm to klrstix
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You don't think he wants to assess readiness in case a southern opportunity presents?
no
Kim's militarism is for internal benefit... the population has to believe the only thing preventing the West from invading and raping them ("keeping the Korean bloodline pure" is their big internal propaganda push) is Kim's military aggression... so that's why they have to sacrifice and starve.
It's much easier to let the South Korean Left push for reunification under Kim's rule...in fact, he now says reunification is not even what he wants, which makes the South Korean Left push it even harder.
I'm not sure he wants to be bothered, really... all of the accomplished South Koreans would flee instantly and he'd just have more starving peasants to deal with...
Posted on 11/20/24 at 4:29 pm to texag7
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What did China, Russia and North Korea do under Trump from 2016-2020?
Totally disarmed themselves and took his orders!!!
Posted on 11/20/24 at 4:31 pm to Lee B
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It's much easier to let the South Korean Left push for reunification under Kim's rule...in fact, he now says reunification is not even what he wants, which makes the South Korean Left push it even harder.
You're on a brilliance roll ...
Posted on 11/20/24 at 4:32 pm to Lee B
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Kim's militarism is for internal benefit... the population has to believe the only thing preventing the West from invading and raping them ("keeping the Korean bloodline pure" is their big internal propaganda push) is Kim's military aggression... so that's why they have to sacrifice and starve.
As well as whatever Putin is paying NorK
Posted on 11/20/24 at 4:34 pm to Lee B
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The US has been the world's Sheriff since the end of WWII, pretty much... they're all trying to see what they can get away with...
This is what the America Firsters don't understand, or refuse to understand. Somebody is going to be the world sheriff. Far better it be us than China or Russia, or to have a bunch of little regional sheriffs.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 4:37 pm to doubleb
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Why did we care about Korea? Vietnam?
I’d venture to say if we had done nothing the world would look a lot different than it does today.
Would the Communists have stopped there if we had done nothing? I seriously doubt it. There is know west of knowing, but who would stop them from taking Taiwan, Japan or the rest of Indo China.
Korea... you're right, it would've emboldened Russia and China to pull more crap elsewhere. Korea was a Civil War, really, between a Communist dictator in the North and a Right WIng Dictator in the South.
Vietnam... we thought that was the stakes, and Laos and Cambodia might be blamed on the Viet Cong victory... but Vietnam did not want to be a Chinese or Russian satellite and its a bit different. We thought Vietnam was a CIvil War, but it was a colony fighting for Independence... the Emperor of Vietnam considered his country a colony of France, and he himself to be an exotic-featured European who actually hated to have to be in the place.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 4:44 pm to Jim Rockford
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This is what the America Firsters don't understand, or refuse to understand. Somebody is going to be the world sheriff. Far better it be us than China or Russia, or to have a bunch of little regional sheriffs.
Yes... I came to this conclusion as a freshman in college hearing Noam Chomsky talk about how international affairs is like the Mafia and the US became the Godfather after WWII. He was trying to make the case that we should withdraw from being the Godfather, but it made me think "if not us, then who will take over?" And flaws and mistakes and everything else, considered, we're still much more benevolent than China, who are the only power near our size (for the time being). Perhaps India in the future... so Hindu Nationalism would be just great for most of the world population to live under, I'd imagine...
The way our foreign policy has been trending since Clinton, we're deputizing a bunch of little regional Sheriffs... Turkey in the Middle East (if we can get them to get along with Israel), Poland is the new big dog in Europe...
Posted on 11/20/24 at 4:50 pm to NC_Tigah
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You aren't familiar with quality assurance / performance improvement concepts?
Yes I am very familiar with the concepts. I really do not think he is tho...
I think this is simply and exclusively about getting his hands on some Russian Tech...
As far as his military is concerned, I truly think (and I really don't know..) he is surrounded by sycophants that tell him what he wants to hear and Kim is content with that... But like I said, that assessment is completely speculative
Posted on 11/20/24 at 4:50 pm to NC_Tigah
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It's much easier to let the South Korean Left push for reunification under Kim's rule...in fact, he now says reunification is not even what he wants, which makes the South Korean Left push it even harder.
You're on a brilliance roll ...
You guys scream about "Communism" but don't pay any attention to the actual Communist movements in the world.
Sad.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 4:52 pm to Jim Rockford
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Somebody is going to be the world sheriff.
I get the position that we don't need to be the "world sheriff" but nature cannot stand a vacuum and I am not sure I would be happier with our replacement...
At the end of the day.. I think China would end up being next up to bat...
Posted on 11/20/24 at 6:04 pm to texag7
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What did China, Russia and North Korea do under Trump from 2016-2020?
2017-2021... judging by this march of 2018 video, Russia was concentrated on producing fine art
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