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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 11/20/24 at 1:52 pm to VolSquatch
Posted on 11/20/24 at 1:52 pm to VolSquatch
[quote]Be specific[/
Have you ever had a leak in your roof? A very slight leak. Did you leave it unattended? What happened?
Have you ever had a leak in your roof? A very slight leak. Did you leave it unattended? What happened?
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Posted on 11/20/24 at 1:57 pm to Lee B
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Make your case for why it wouldn't, based on what we've seen of the conventional Russian military over the past 3 years struggling to defeat a smaller military that does not have air dominance.
Sure:
- Every single sizable US military action in the last 150 years
Posted on 11/20/24 at 1:58 pm to Kjnstkmn
They look like a bunch of port o potties lined up together.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 2:00 pm to doubleb
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Have you ever had a leak in your roof? A very slight leak. Did you leave it unattended? What happened?
You think coming up with an analogy is being specific?
Posted on 11/20/24 at 2:02 pm to Lee B
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Make your case for why it wouldn't, based on what we've seen of the conventional Russian military over the past 3 years struggling to defeat a smaller military that does not have air dominance.
Not to rehash the "they don't have any nukes that actually work" take/guess that someone will inevitably throw out after my comment, but even if we did completely steamroll their military why wouldn't they use any working nukes they have?
Posted on 11/20/24 at 2:05 pm to doubleb
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Have you ever had a leak in your roof? A very slight leak. Did you leave it unattended? What happened?
Not me, specifically
But a dude several neighborhoods over did. He was an acquaintance, we barely knew each other. Nonetheless I took on the responsibility of fixing it, it was a fiasco, it ended up destroying his whole house and I got sued by the contractor and the dude with the leak despite trying to be altruistic and ended up in bankruptcy.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 2:10 pm to GOP_Tiger
Good basic rundown on the Storm Shadows and the differences between Russian anti-personnel mines and American mines.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 2:20 pm to Pettifogger
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But a dude several neighborhoods over did. He was an acquaintance, we barely knew each other. Nonetheless I took on the responsibility of fixing it, it was a fiasco, it ended up destroying his whole house and I got sued by the contractor and the dude with the leak despite trying to be altruistic and ended up in bankruptcy.
lol
Good one
Posted on 11/20/24 at 2:41 pm to VolSquatch
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You think coming up with an analogy is being specific?
Yes, if you neglect something small it gets larger and larger and in time becomes a bigger and bigger problem.
A real world scenario.
A dictator sets his eyes on a neighboring country. He bullies the president into leaving the country and takes over.
He isn’t satisfied. He goes after another country that is stronger. The second country isn’t bullied, but his allies cave. The dictator rolls in.
By now the dictator is full of himself. He decides to go after a much bigger fish. Poland is right there. He cuts a deal with another dictator and they carve up four nations.
By now the rest of the world wakes up, but that small problem is a big one and it will continue to get bigger and bigger.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 2:52 pm to doubleb
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By now the rest of the world wakes up, but that small problem is a big one and it will continue to get bigger and bigger.
In our business I call this squashing lizards vs slaying dragons.. ignore the lizard long enough and it will grow into a dragon...
Posted on 11/20/24 at 2:57 pm to doubleb
quote:Perhaps the same thing it meant when Germany sent forces to Spain pre-WWII? It is an opportunity for Kim to test readiness, tactics, and effectiveness.
If that’s the case what does 20,000 NK regulars shipping out to Russia mean?
Posted on 11/20/24 at 2:59 pm to NC_Tigah
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Perhaps the same thing it meant when Germany sent forces to Spain pre-WWII? It is an opportunity for Kim to test readiness, tactics, and effectiveness.
I think you are giving Kim too much credit..
Posted on 11/20/24 at 3:02 pm to doubleb
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Yes, if you neglect something small it gets larger and larger and in time becomes a bigger and bigger problem.
A real world scenario.
A dictator sets his eyes on a neighboring country. He bullies the president into leaving the country and takes over.
He isn’t satisfied. He goes after another country that is stronger. The second country isn’t bullied, but his allies cave. The dictator rolls in.
By now the dictator is full of himself. He decides to go after a much bigger fish. Poland is right there. He cuts a deal with another dictator and they carve up four nations.
By now the rest of the world wakes up, but that small problem is a big one and it will continue to get bigger and bigger.
You regularly mention how inept Russia is, and then in this argument they are going to take Poland?
Posted on 11/20/24 at 3:08 pm to VolSquatch
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Not to rehash the "they don't have any nukes that actually work" take/guess that someone will inevitably throw out after my comment, but even if we did completely steamroll their military why wouldn't they use any working nukes they have?
They would, totally!!! That's why we're not to get into that direct confrontation with them... and why we're trying to prevent Poland or Romania from steamrolling their military, for the same reason.
Will you guys acknowledge that NATO and US forces in Europe have been laser-focused on taking on the Russian military? And... at the same time, we WAY overestimated the Russian military, so we've overprepared. And that's what has people in the Pentagon kind of terrified, because Russia does not have a capable conventional military but the world's largest nuclear arsenal.
At this point they don't have the mechanized force left to attack Ukraine and are back to their old meat wave attacks.
We have made Ukraine fight with one arm tied behind its back, but it's still there.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 3:08 pm to klrstix
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Perhaps the same thing it meant when Germany sent forces to Spain pre-WWII? It is an opportunity for Kim to test readiness, tactics, and effectiveness.
I think you are giving Kim too much credit..
I don't have a strong opinion either way on the NK troops and what that means from their end or Russia's, but I don't think thats some far out possibility.
This conflict isn't existential for Russia. NK wants a dedicated ally, but if Russia loses its not like they won't exist anymore. And its not like NK hasn't already been assisting them with shell production. I think the Norkies would learn a lot getting some actual combat experience against troops armed with western weapons.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 3:11 pm to CitizenK
Captain of the Chinese ship suspected of severing comms cables is Stechentsev, Alexander Evgenievich. Remains with a Danish warship alongside since yesterday.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 3:11 pm to Lee B
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And... at the same time, we WAY overestimated the Russian military, so we've overprepared. And that's what has people in the Pentagon kind of terrified, because Russia does not have a capable conventional military but the world's largest nuclear arsenal.
I think if the people who actually make decisions overestimated the Russian military that much we wouldn't have seen the trickle of weapons and aid coming from Washington. That tells me that our defense leadership has known Russia is a paper tiger for some time. Its only portrayed as the empire from Star Wars when we need to cut checks to defense contractors for the latest and greatest.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 3:15 pm to klrstix
quote:You don't think he wants to assess readiness in case a southern opportunity presents?
I think you are giving Kim too much credit..
Posted on 11/20/24 at 3:15 pm to VolSquatch
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You regularly mention how inept Russia is, and then in this argument they are going to take Poland?
I never said they were going to take Poland again. They aren’t going unchecked like Hitler and Stalin were for a time.
Posted on 11/20/24 at 3:17 pm to doubleb
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I never said they were going to take Poland again
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By now the dictator is full of himself. He decides to go after a much bigger fish. Poland is right there. He cuts a deal with another dictator and they carve up four nations.
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