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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 11/21/24 at 9:55 am to SirWinston
Posted on 11/21/24 at 9:55 am to SirWinston
quote:Let's see, should I support an anti-Western Communist dictator or get risked being called a cuck by the guy who acts like he's a British metrosexual on a message board for some reason?
I just want to say how much I despise all you Ukraine cucks
Hmmm....
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Posted on 11/21/24 at 9:56 am to Darth_Vader
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It amazes me how flippant some people are about ICBMs being tossed around right now as though it’s no big deal.
Its honestly strange how determined they are to downplay anything that Russia does, meanwhile Ukraine could use a $5m missile to destroy a 1975 Ford Pinto that a Russian *might* have been driving and they would be absolutely giddy about it
Posted on 11/21/24 at 9:57 am to cypher
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launched solely for dramatic effect.
This could also describe all the Kyiv Post articles you share
Posted on 11/21/24 at 9:58 am to Darth_Vader
This meme continues to work:
Posted on 11/21/24 at 10:00 am to doubleb
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In the link you provided, Sullivan talked about the war and it spreading beyond Ukraine. That hasn’t happened yet, right?
I think it's a bit unavoidable...
Putin cannot be allowed to wipe a country off the face of the earth just because he feels like it.
Again, so China gets to wipe Taiwan off the face of the Earth next just because they hate them and think they are propped up by the US to contain the Chinese Navy?
Let's not even get into India and Pakistan... or Iran and Israel... or North Korea and Japan (look up the History of Korea if you don't understand that one and why Kim's rockets are always launched that way)... Central and South America and Africa and Asia...
The world became a mess...
Posted on 11/21/24 at 10:02 am to GOP_Tiger
Posted on 11/21/24 at 10:03 am to cypher
Have we confirmed this was actually a legit ICBM? Feels like we would have gone to like DEFCON 2 if one was actually launched
Posted on 11/21/24 at 10:07 am to Darth_Vader
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It amazes me how flippant some people are about ICBMs being tossed around right now as though it’s no big deal.
It’s not a big deal unless it’s carrying a nuke.
Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles are not used to strike your neighbor, right?
It seems like using a deer rifle to shoot a squirrel. Why? No sound reason.
Putin just trying to show off here.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 10:08 am to klrstix
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IMO ... China is the real x factor in the decision making for Putin. By that I mean of all of Russia's allies in this conflict, China is more concerned with world opinion than any of Russia's allies and so would be the 1st to flip their support if any line was crossed. I just have no sense or idea of Putin's thinking with regard to how important (or not) China's support is to their objectives..
China's economy completely depends on manufacturing things to sell to the West. That means sanctions would destroy them and public opinion in the West matters to their existence... unless they can take control of Pacific shipping lanes and restrict in that way competition from South Korea, Japan, Vietnam, etc... which is what they're trying to do with all of the crap they're pulling in the South China Sea and what they want to do with the Japanese Islands and beyond Taiwan. If they are the only country whose shipping can get through, they are the only country whose shipping can get through...
Posted on 11/21/24 at 10:09 am to WestCoastAg
Experts disagree whether the missile suspected to be used, the RS-26 Rubezh, is truly an ICBM or is only an IRBM. We don't know enough about the missile's exact range. Most of the experts, though, seem to count the RS-26 as an IRBM (intermediate range ballistic missile).
At this point, we also don't know if Russia officially notified the US about the launch (as treaty obligations would mandate if it is really an ICBM) or not.
EDIT: In either case, it should have provided us with a good opportunity to test our sensor and monitoring systems.
At this point, we also don't know if Russia officially notified the US about the launch (as treaty obligations would mandate if it is really an ICBM) or not.
EDIT: In either case, it should have provided us with a good opportunity to test our sensor and monitoring systems.
This post was edited on 11/21/24 at 10:10 am
Posted on 11/21/24 at 10:15 am to GOP_Tiger
The below video shows the "weights" arriving in #Dnipro last night. The missile was fired from 800-km away which means it probably never entered orbital altitudes which would have set off a global DEFCON alert. They put some thought into it.
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That video is a reversed video of missile launches; notice there are no explosions...
ETA: I didn't realize they used inert warheads, in that context, the video is prob legit.
ETA: I didn't realize they used inert warheads, in that context, the video is prob legit.
This post was edited on 11/21/24 at 11:06 am
Posted on 11/21/24 at 10:29 am to Chromdome35
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That video is a reversed video of missile launches; notice there are no explosions...
The MIRV warheads were inert dummies which resulted in kinetic damage only.
Here is a video of one of the impacts. Notice that the brick walls are still standing.
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Posted on 11/21/24 at 11:01 am to cypher
Russia reportedly launches intercontinental ballistic missile against Ukraine — what we know so far
What sort of intercontinental ballistic missile did Russia launch?
This has yet to be confirmed, but on Nov. 20 Ukrainian media reported that Russia was preparing to test, or launch, an RS-26 Rubezh medium-range ICBM.
The Rubezh is reported to have a range of up to 6,000 kilometers, can carry four warheads each with an estimated payload of 0.3 megatons.
If confirmed, it would mean the launch had "virtually no military value," Fabian Hoffmann, a defense expert and doctoral research fellow at the University of Oslo, told the Kyiv Independent.
He points out that Russia is not known to possess a non-nuclear warhead for the Rubezh, meaning it's likely it carried a "weight simulator, instead of a warhead."
Hoffman adds that the Rubezh is equipped with a MIRV payload, which stands for Multiple Independent Reentry Vehicles. Purported footage of the attack shows multiple projectiles hitting the ground, but without the large explosions normally associated with conventional missiles or payloads.
"So this strike is not for military value, this is purely, purely for political purposes," he added.
The Kyiv Independent
What sort of intercontinental ballistic missile did Russia launch?
This has yet to be confirmed, but on Nov. 20 Ukrainian media reported that Russia was preparing to test, or launch, an RS-26 Rubezh medium-range ICBM.
The Rubezh is reported to have a range of up to 6,000 kilometers, can carry four warheads each with an estimated payload of 0.3 megatons.
If confirmed, it would mean the launch had "virtually no military value," Fabian Hoffmann, a defense expert and doctoral research fellow at the University of Oslo, told the Kyiv Independent.
He points out that Russia is not known to possess a non-nuclear warhead for the Rubezh, meaning it's likely it carried a "weight simulator, instead of a warhead."
Hoffman adds that the Rubezh is equipped with a MIRV payload, which stands for Multiple Independent Reentry Vehicles. Purported footage of the attack shows multiple projectiles hitting the ground, but without the large explosions normally associated with conventional missiles or payloads.
"So this strike is not for military value, this is purely, purely for political purposes," he added.
The Kyiv Independent
Posted on 11/21/24 at 11:03 am to cypher
Makes sense.
What was the goal of this from Russia's perspective?
Everyone knows they have ICBM's/IRBM's, Everyone knows they have nukes. Russia has been firing missiles, many of them being nuclear capable, at Ukraine for 1000 days now.
So this time they use a new missile and fire inert warheads at a non military target...I don't understand the purpose. I guess it was to watch the western press run around with their hair on fire.
In real "messaging," what did this actually accomplish?
What was the goal of this from Russia's perspective?
Everyone knows they have ICBM's/IRBM's, Everyone knows they have nukes. Russia has been firing missiles, many of them being nuclear capable, at Ukraine for 1000 days now.
So this time they use a new missile and fire inert warheads at a non military target...I don't understand the purpose. I guess it was to watch the western press run around with their hair on fire.
In real "messaging," what did this actually accomplish?
Posted on 11/21/24 at 11:03 am to Darth_Vader
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It amazes me how flippant some people are about ICBMs being tossed around right now as though it’s no big deal.
At the end of the day, Putin is either a "rational actor" or he is not. While Putin clearly miscalculated the western response to his trying to take the rest of Ukraine, the point is he did "calculate".
I have not seen anything from him to indicate or imply he is anything other than a rational actor so yeah lobbing conventional "ICBM's" is nothing more than a bit of a temper tantrum as far as I am concerned.
What neither I nor anyone else (looking at the pearl clutchers now..) knows is what has been communicated through back channels to provide clarity what the red lines are for respective parties that would be an irreversable escalation. But I would assume that has been done and everything else we see on all sides is theater...
The other question is of course is Biden (admin) and/or Zelenski rational or irrational actors. Again while I can disagree with some of their decisions and moves I have yet to see irrational..
So I don't not consider my relative indifference to the "ICBM" to be flippant... It is within the context of the brief explanation I just gave..
I just thought your comment deserved an explanation..
Posted on 11/21/24 at 11:11 am to klrstix
quote:
At the end of the day, Putin is either a "rational actor" or he is not. While Putin clearly miscalculated the western response to his trying to take the rest of Ukraine, the point is he did "calculate".
I have not seen anything from him to indicate or imply he is anything other than a rational actor so yeah lobbing conventional "ICBM's" is nothing more than a bit of a temper tantrum as far as I am concerned.
What neither I nor anyone else (looking at the pearl clutchers now..) knows is what has been communicated through back channels to provide clarity what the red lines are for respective parties that would be an irreversable escalation. But I would assume that has been done and everything else we see on all sides is theater...
The other question is of course is Biden (admin) and/or Zelenski rational or irrational actors. Again while I can disagree with some of their decisions and moves I have yet to see irrational..
So I don't not consider my relative indifference to the "ICBM" to be flippant... It is within the context of the brief explanation I just gave..
I just thought your comment deserved an explanation..
I think this is right.
But the longer we have this "dialogue" involving ICBMs and nuclear threats, the more likely something is to go sideways. I don't take the threats from Putin seriously (right now). But I'm sure there are a host of ways that overreaches and mistakes can nonetheless draw our allies/us into direct conflict, putting our treasure and our lives into the mix for something many of us don't believe warrants it.
Posted on 11/21/24 at 11:17 am to cypher
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He points out that Russia is not known to possess a non-nuclear warhead for the Rubezh,
Why would they not have non nuclear warheads to be used in a war such as this?
Posted on 11/21/24 at 11:23 am to notiger1997
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Why would they not have non nuclear warheads to be used in a war such as this?
Why don't they have indoor plumbing in most of Russia?
This post was edited on 11/21/24 at 11:23 am
Posted on 11/21/24 at 11:28 am to Lee B
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