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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 11/11/24 at 1:17 pm to lsu777
Posted on 11/11/24 at 1:17 pm to lsu777
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while i agree all cash should be shut off from ukraine
Being tapped into the interest on Russia's sovereign wealth fund holdings in the EU, it doesn't actually need cash from the US.
The Politards are going to call Don Jr prophetic when his statement is just playing politics to appease the clueless (both sides have a shitton of clueless supporters as it has always been)
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Posted on 11/11/24 at 1:25 pm to CitizenK
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Being tapped into the interest on Russia's sovereign wealth fund holdings in the EU, it doesn't actually need cash from the US.
The Politards are going to call Don Jr prophetic when his statement is just playing politics to appease the clueless (both sides have a shitton of clueless supporters as it has always been)
to be fair, you have been one of the biggest supporter of almost forever war.
there are parts about us supporting ukraine that i agree with...like giving them old equipment
but we have to stop financing the world and financing every little skirmish.
frick russia, frick ukraine and frick all those shitty eastern european country
i dont want the war to stop because of some stupid make believe shite like sir winston...i want us to stop funding shite......we broke as a mother fricker, cant afford it.
Posted on 11/11/24 at 1:26 pm to lsu777
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you are still a fricking douche bag and you supporting trump makes the rest of us that support him look bad
It's bawdy Patriots like me who kept the movement alive through the darkest days
Posted on 11/11/24 at 1:37 pm to SirWinston
Russian troops may launch assaults on Zaporizhzhia front "any day now" – Ukrainian forces
Tetyana Oliynyk — Monday, 11 November 2024, 20:52
Russian forces may soon launch ground assaults in the south of Zaporizhzhia Oblast.
Source: Vladyslav Voloshyn, spokesperson for Defence Forces of Ukraine's South, in a comment to Sky News
Details: Voloshyn notes that Russian forces outnumber Ukrainian troops in the area. However, it remains unclear whether this will result in a single large-scale Russian offensive or a series of separate assaults.
Quote: "[The assaults] could begin in the near future, we're not even talking about weeks, we're expecting it to happen any day."
Ukrainska Pravda
Tetyana Oliynyk — Monday, 11 November 2024, 20:52
Russian forces may soon launch ground assaults in the south of Zaporizhzhia Oblast.
Source: Vladyslav Voloshyn, spokesperson for Defence Forces of Ukraine's South, in a comment to Sky News
Details: Voloshyn notes that Russian forces outnumber Ukrainian troops in the area. However, it remains unclear whether this will result in a single large-scale Russian offensive or a series of separate assaults.
Quote: "[The assaults] could begin in the near future, we're not even talking about weeks, we're expecting it to happen any day."
Ukrainska Pravda
Posted on 11/11/24 at 1:46 pm to SirWinston
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It's bawdy Patriots like me who kept the movement alive through the darkest day
you arent a baw dude.
why do you try and be something you arent
its laughable
do you have mental health issues seriously?
on one hand...many times you are right on a position...but your way of coming to that position is so fricked up and wrong its not even funny.
i wasnt for trump during the nominee process at first but he has proven he is goign to atleast try and be a hard arse this time and do what he says he will and every single person he has brought on board has been frickign awesome, especially since he got shot
but you have been a douche the whole time, even in the darkest of days...your doucheness shines like a beacon of douchiness through the dark.
Posted on 11/11/24 at 2:30 pm to lsu777
quote:
o you have mental health issues seriously?
Is this a real quesstion?
Posted on 11/11/24 at 2:42 pm to lsu777
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to be fair, you have been one of the biggest supporter of almost forever war.
It doesn't have to be a forever war, that is straight out of the leftist playbook. Also, from the leftist playbook is just give them enough with enough restrictions to keep it going forever.
No one on this thread is for any forever war, except the politards being led by the nose by folks like Lima bean, and trinidad whatever, who obviously want Russia to be victorious, as well as the recent with a gazillion posts in 2 months, John Baron.
Posted on 11/11/24 at 2:56 pm to lsu777
Or maybe it's a schtick
Also, "bawdy" doesn't have anything to do with "baw". It was a popular term for the original blue collar American Patriots like Paul Revere and Samuel Adams.
Also, "bawdy" doesn't have anything to do with "baw". It was a popular term for the original blue collar American Patriots like Paul Revere and Samuel Adams.
This post was edited on 11/11/24 at 2:58 pm
Posted on 11/11/24 at 4:56 pm to lsu777
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just like the ones that are supporting forever war
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in the end this shite has to end
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cant go on forever
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We have accomplished our goal of hurting russia militarily and shown that all our shite is way better than theirs.
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time to negotiate a peace to this shite!!!
Who is the DV here?
Make your argument.
This post was edited on 11/11/24 at 5:10 pm
Posted on 11/11/24 at 5:15 pm to CitizenK
quote:Please link evidence of your claim.
No one on this thread is for any forever war,
To those of us who occasionally pop in and out, it appears "forever war" is the preferable outcome for most in this thread.
This post was edited on 11/12/24 at 6:58 am
Posted on 11/11/24 at 5:18 pm to TBoy
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110,000 cubic meters = 3,884,613 cubic feet. From a quick search, the average output of US gas wells is 192,591 cf/d.
"And kids, that's why Russia wants to control Ukraine."
One of many, but way down on the list (Russia is not hurting for natural gas)...
the main reasons are:
1) Security Paranoia (controlling neighboring states to create a buffer so Moscow can't be invaded easily)
2) Security Paranoia (not having neighboring states that flourish economically through Western and EU connections and make Russia's system look bad and corrupt, which it is, and stoking internal resistance and rebellion)
3) Demographic collapse (which feeds Security Paranoia)... if they can claim anyone who was once in the USSR or under Russian control as "Russian" than that adds more bodies and children to the Russian population, workforce, and military.
There is no way to "make sense" of Russia's moves or endgame at this point because they are an angry regime fading into oblivion. China might be as bad when they stop lying to themselves.
Posted on 11/11/24 at 5:35 pm to Lee B
For the unfamiliar, Deepstate is Ukrainian but doesn't blow smoke and frequently reports on Ukrainian losses and criticizes the Ukrainian MoD.
LINK
This report is about attacks on the western edge of the Kursk salient. Overall, it seems that Russia is making a huge push to finish retaking the region, and I have seen reports that Ukraine has as many troops in Kursk as they do in the southern Donbas (where Ukraine is still losing lots of ground).
The obvious implication is that both sides see the potential for peace negotiations in a couple of months when Trump takes office, and Ukraine knows that it will be hard to simply "freeze" the front lines if they control Russian land, because Russia is not going to agree to long-term Ukrainian control of parts of Russia.
I've read recent reports that Ukrainian troops in Kursk get rotated every ten days, while Ukrainian units in the Donbas get rotated every 25 days.
It's ironic, but I think that Trump's election is going to increase the violence and death until he takes office, as both sides fight to be in the best position possible.
EDIT: There are also a lot of reports of a Russian troop buildup in the Zaporizhzhia region, with Ukrainian concern of another major Russian offensive on another sector of the front.
LINK
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DeepState about todays massive Russian attacks on the Kursk front. Up to 300 Russians were killed or injured:
“5 enemy assaults on Novoivanivka, in Kursk region, were repulsed.
?? It was an extremely difficult day near the village of Novoivanivka, where Russians tried to jump into the village and its surroundings 5 ??times at once. A total of 29 units of armored vehicles were involved. The first three rounds were 7 armored vehicles each, the remaining two were 4 armored vehicles each.
?? At least 18 armored vehicles out of 29 were destroyed. It is difficult to calculate the number of dead and wounded Russians, but the number may reach up to 300 people. Of course, some of them got stuck in landings or escaped. Today was definitely a black day for Russians.”
This report is about attacks on the western edge of the Kursk salient. Overall, it seems that Russia is making a huge push to finish retaking the region, and I have seen reports that Ukraine has as many troops in Kursk as they do in the southern Donbas (where Ukraine is still losing lots of ground).
The obvious implication is that both sides see the potential for peace negotiations in a couple of months when Trump takes office, and Ukraine knows that it will be hard to simply "freeze" the front lines if they control Russian land, because Russia is not going to agree to long-term Ukrainian control of parts of Russia.
I've read recent reports that Ukrainian troops in Kursk get rotated every ten days, while Ukrainian units in the Donbas get rotated every 25 days.
It's ironic, but I think that Trump's election is going to increase the violence and death until he takes office, as both sides fight to be in the best position possible.
EDIT: There are also a lot of reports of a Russian troop buildup in the Zaporizhzhia region, with Ukrainian concern of another major Russian offensive on another sector of the front.
This post was edited on 11/11/24 at 5:39 pm
Posted on 11/11/24 at 6:10 pm to cypher
Vladimir Solovyov says Russia intends to destroy Ukraine
Posted on 11/11/24 at 9:04 pm to cypher
Trump picks Florida Rep. Mike Waltz for national security adviser
LINK
Overall, I think that Ukraine supporters will be satisfied by this pick. Waltz is no friend of Russia, and he isn't going to pressure Ukraine into a bad deal.
LINK
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President-elect Donald Trump asked Rep. Mike Waltz, a Florida Republican and retired Special Forces officer, to be his national security adviser, according to two people familiar with the plans who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss private deliberations.
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At the outset of the war in Ukraine, Waltz called for the Biden administration to provide a steady supply of weapons and explosives to Ukrainian forces so they could attack Russian supply lines. But he has increasingly adopted Trump’s rhetoric about the NATO military alliance that bolsters Ukraine, questioning why its member countries aren’t doing more to counter Russia and bolster their defenses.
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In April, Waltz said during a House Armed Services Committee hearing that the “tyranny of low expectations” had infected the alliance and questioned the sustainability of the United States providing the majority of the arms.
“We’ll be having this same conversation at this posture hearing … next year: ‘American people, dig deeper in your pockets because European politicians can’t and won’t get their people to dig deeper into their pockets,’ ” Waltz said. “It’s a good deal for them. It’s a bad deal for the American people.”
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In an appearance on Fox News last week, Waltz said that Trump “has been very clear” that the war in Ukraine needs to be driven to some form of conclusion.
“Blank check is a slogan, it’s not a strategy,” Waltz said, criticizing the Biden administration’s open-ended provision of military arms to the government in Kyiv.
Overall, I think that Ukraine supporters will be satisfied by this pick. Waltz is no friend of Russia, and he isn't going to pressure Ukraine into a bad deal.
Posted on 11/11/24 at 9:08 pm to GOP_Tiger
Trump plans to nominate Rubio for secretary of State
LINK
Yes! Another good pick for Ukraine.
LINK
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President-elect Donald Trump plans to nominate Sen. Marco Rubio to serve as secretary of State, according to two people informed of the decision.
If confirmed for the role, Rubio may bring some more traditional GOP views into Trump’s foreign policy orbit. The Florida Republican has hawkish views on many U.S. foes, but he has also championed maintaining alliances, such as NATO.
Yes! Another good pick for Ukraine.
Posted on 11/12/24 at 4:50 am to GOP_Tiger
Financial Times:
This all sounds like good news.
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Ukraine has been building on its “victory plan” for the incoming Trump administration, highlighting potential business deals, access to raw materials and troop deployments in an effort to sway the famously transactional US president-elect
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Two of the ideas were laid out in Volodymyr Zelenskyy’s “victory plan” with Trump specifically in mind, according to people involved in drawing it up. The proposals were later presented to Trump when the Ukrainian president met him in New York in September. One idea would replace some US troops stationed in Europe with Ukrainian forces after the war. The other — first devised by Republican senator Lindsey Graham, a Trump ally, according to people involved in designing Zelenskyy’s “victory plan” — suggests sharing Ukraine’s critical natural resources with western partners.
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Separately, business leaders in Ukraine are also talking with the government about offering Trump “investment screening” powers, allowing him to essentially choose who can do business in the country. One person involved in the planning described the idea as “ABC — anybody but China,” which could play especially well with Trump. Ukrainian industries dependent on Chinese technology and materials, such as telecoms, according to the person involved, could switch to US suppliers and attract more western investment. The idea is in the early stages but some business leaders close to the president’s office believe it could play well with Trump.
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Kyiv is also looking to appease the Trump camp by replacing its ambassador to Washington, Oksana Markarova, according to people with knowledge of the situation. Republican House Speaker Mike Johnson demanded Makarova’s sacking after she organised a visit for Zelenskyy to a US ammunition plant in September that was attended only by Democrats. Dmytro Kuleba, the former foreign minister, was offered the position but declined, the people said. Kuleba, the embassy in Washington and the foreign ministry in Kyiv did not comment.
This all sounds like good news.
Posted on 11/12/24 at 6:50 am to GOP_Tiger
LINK
Ryan McBeth has an interesting take on this video "What a Trump Victory Means for Ukraine."
I dont agree with everything McBeth says in general. And I don't agree with everything in this video. But he usually has sensible takes on things.
He says essentially (and he has said this on lots of previous videos) that Putin can't and won't take any kind of "frozen" deal that leaves Ukraine as a functioning state. This was never about the Donbas or Russian speaking people or any of that nonsense. It was always about taking all of Ukraine. These are his reasons.
1) Russia needs Ukraine, Belarus, Poland, and the Baltic states as client states (USSR footprint) in order to have natural defensible borders. Russia as it sits now has too long of a border with no natural defensive features against Europe.
2) Now that Russia has moved to a wartime economy, it can't stop. It's civilian industry is now screwed. And it can't compete on the international stage. And it doesn't make much to begin with. And it doesn't have many customers. So it's life is now war. If it stops waging war, it will collapse. And Putin goes down in a coup.
3) China gave its blessing to this adventure as a test to see how the west would respond. Its a dry run for Taiwan in a few years. So Russia has to exhaust the west militarily and politically. So that they don't have the stomach to back Taiwan in a fight with China.
So the war has to continue and Russia has to keep growing its army and focus all of the West on keeping Russia out of Poland and the Baltics. And it can't do that and stop China from taking Taiwan at the same time.
So look for Russia to reject any deal that Trump comes up with. And look for the war in Europe to continue to escalate.
So the west either crushes Russia in Europe, and we deal with the collapse of Russia and let China take Siberia. Or we fight a two front war in Europe and Asia which will essentially be WW2 part 2.
Ryan McBeth has an interesting take on this video "What a Trump Victory Means for Ukraine."
I dont agree with everything McBeth says in general. And I don't agree with everything in this video. But he usually has sensible takes on things.
He says essentially (and he has said this on lots of previous videos) that Putin can't and won't take any kind of "frozen" deal that leaves Ukraine as a functioning state. This was never about the Donbas or Russian speaking people or any of that nonsense. It was always about taking all of Ukraine. These are his reasons.
1) Russia needs Ukraine, Belarus, Poland, and the Baltic states as client states (USSR footprint) in order to have natural defensible borders. Russia as it sits now has too long of a border with no natural defensive features against Europe.
2) Now that Russia has moved to a wartime economy, it can't stop. It's civilian industry is now screwed. And it can't compete on the international stage. And it doesn't make much to begin with. And it doesn't have many customers. So it's life is now war. If it stops waging war, it will collapse. And Putin goes down in a coup.
3) China gave its blessing to this adventure as a test to see how the west would respond. Its a dry run for Taiwan in a few years. So Russia has to exhaust the west militarily and politically. So that they don't have the stomach to back Taiwan in a fight with China.
So the war has to continue and Russia has to keep growing its army and focus all of the West on keeping Russia out of Poland and the Baltics. And it can't do that and stop China from taking Taiwan at the same time.
So look for Russia to reject any deal that Trump comes up with. And look for the war in Europe to continue to escalate.
So the west either crushes Russia in Europe, and we deal with the collapse of Russia and let China take Siberia. Or we fight a two front war in Europe and Asia which will essentially be WW2 part 2.
Posted on 11/12/24 at 7:23 am to NC_Tigah
there are literally people in this thread that will down vote no matter what unless you say this has to keep going until russia is completely destroyed and occupied by ukraine and then others that will DV unless its ukraine has to be destroyed and russia must occupy
Sir winston's dumbass thinks russia is full of Christians and russians are a wholesome group
alot of people in this thread have become so jaded one way or another and become completely brain washed...its insane.
there has been some good ROI for our side...but this is going on 3 years...over a million casualties...how long and how many do we have to have before people realize it has to end and both sides have to give.
if russia wont...well let ukraine lose, destroy moscow and somebody shoot putin. if zelensky wont...somebody shoot his dumbass
Sir winston's dumbass thinks russia is full of Christians and russians are a wholesome group
alot of people in this thread have become so jaded one way or another and become completely brain washed...its insane.
there has been some good ROI for our side...but this is going on 3 years...over a million casualties...how long and how many do we have to have before people realize it has to end and both sides have to give.
if russia wont...well let ukraine lose, destroy moscow and somebody shoot putin. if zelensky wont...somebody shoot his dumbass
Posted on 11/12/24 at 7:25 am to cypher
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Trump’s reported Ukraine peace plan is doomed to fail
There is simply no way the proposals can be implemented if the current leadership in Kiev remains
RT News
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The most important thing about Trump’s plan is that the authors don’t seem to have coordinated in any way with either Moscow or Kiev. And the Ukrainians will be the main problem, because the chief obstacle to the implementation of any peace initiatives is the absolutely insane and inadequate military-political leadership in Kiev (this can be judged with absolute certainty on the basis of all of their recent actions and steps, including the demands for Tomahawk missiles).
Just one example. Former Ukrainian President Pyotr Poroshenko, after the US elections, outlined five ‘red lines’: no compromise on Ukraine’s independence, no return to “Russia’s zone of influence”; Kiev will never give up territories that have come under Russian control; Ukraine will not agree to ‘limit the capacity of its armed forces’ because they are ‘the most reliable and effective guarantor of the survival of the Ukrainian state’; until the ‘full liberation’ of its territory, Ukraine cannot ‘compromise or agree to lift sanctions.’
In fact, Poroshenko’s statements quite accurately reflect the mood of the Ukrainian political class and fully characterize Kiev’s policy as a set of statements that are absolutely not based on the real capabilities of the state, its forces and means.
That is why the first point of any peace plan by Trump should sound something like this: “First of all, we must bring to power in Kiev a leadership capable of fulfilling agreements. Most importantly, reasonable and appropriate people. Only then will negotiations and discussion of any positions be possible.”
So basically, this won't work because Russian demands won't work
On another note, since Russia claims to have annexed territory they never controlled, I wonder how they would take having to cede territory back to Ukraine if the front lines get frozen
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