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Posted on 11/12/24 at 9:26 am to WeeWee
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I get my information from people in Ukraine and Russia.
Who? How are you communicating with them? Or do you mean tiktok and social media?
Posted on 11/12/24 at 9:30 am to BugAC
Read the actual expenditures dude. Why look at CFR I figured you would be an anti CFR sorta fellow.
In fact, we have recently found that only 10% ever got to Ukraine but it still is on the expenditure list and still in the pipeline.
This is no different that money appropriated to FEMA specifically per disaster and billions sitting there never have being spent.
In fact, we have recently found that only 10% ever got to Ukraine but it still is on the expenditure list and still in the pipeline.
This is no different that money appropriated to FEMA specifically per disaster and billions sitting there never have being spent.
Posted on 11/12/24 at 9:33 am to BugAC
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Who? How are you communicating with them? Or do you mean tiktok and social media?
He's been to Ukraine more than once. His medical school roommate is a tank commander for Ukraine. He was there in Feb/Mar of 2022.
Meanwhile Tucker picks up a loaf of bread, in Moscow, that could be found at WalMart here and goes "Look at this bread, it's real bread" While is spending about $100 what a family of four in Russia has to spend for an entire month on food.
You are so easily bamboozled.
Posted on 11/12/24 at 9:37 am to CitizenK
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. Why look at CFR I figured you would be an anti CFR sorta fellow.
It's one of a dozen links, but that's not where i pulled the details from in my post.
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In fact, we have recently found that only 10% ever got to Ukraine but it still is on the expenditure list and still in the pipeline.
This is no different that money appropriated to FEMA specifically per disaster and billions sitting there never have being spent.
Cool, and any money to Ukraine is a waste. I stated this from the very beginning, this war is Europe's problem, not ours. And the fact we keep spending money, or setting more money aside, for a losing war to Ukraine makes even less sense.
Posted on 11/12/24 at 9:40 am to CitizenK
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He's been to Ukraine more than once. His medical school roommate is a tank commander for Ukraine. He was there in Feb/Mar of 2022.
For real? Is there proof of this?
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Meanwhile Tucker picks up a loaf of bread
What is your obsession with Tucker? I didn't cite tucker on anything in my posts nor do i really watch or listen to his podcasts.
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You are so easily bamboozled.
You, apparently, have a comprehension problem. When i relayed a story from my friend who just returned from Europe, you immediately went to "that's Tucker Carlson propaganda". I am not friends with Tucker. Hate to burst your bubble, chief.
Posted on 11/12/24 at 9:42 am to BugAC
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Cool, and any money to Ukraine is a waste. I stated this from the very beginning, this war is Europe's problem, not ours
I bet my grand parents said this in 1939.
This post was edited on 11/12/24 at 9:54 am
Posted on 11/12/24 at 9:43 am to doubleb
quote:You'd prefer the same outcome I would ... Ukraine goes back to it's 2012 borders and democracy. The difference is, I know that outcome will never occur. The die was cast. The preferred outcome, a return of Crimea and the eastern territories, will not happen. Forever war is the only alternative as long as that "preferred outcome" is a goal. If your claim is that folks here promoting such goal don't understand the painfully obvious ramifications, it's almost worse than outright rooting for forever war.
I can attest to the fact that no one here wants thd war to last forever.
Posted on 11/12/24 at 9:53 am to NC_Tigah
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You'd prefer the same outcome I would ... Ukraine goes back to it's 2012 borders and democracy. The difference is, I know that outcome will never occur. The die was cast. The preferred outcome, a return of Crimea and the eastern territories, will not happen. Forever war is the only alternative as long as that "preferred outcome" is a goal. If your claim is that folks here promoting such goal don't understand the painfully obvious ramifications, it's almost worse than outright rooting for forever war.
I think that the regulars here if faced with reality would compromise and accept less than the perfect settlement if it brought peace and stability.
That might look something like Korea does now.
I do not believe that any of my friends her are in favor of maiming and killing.
Posted on 11/12/24 at 9:56 am to doubleb
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I bet my grand parents said this in 1939.
You're bad at trying to make arguments.
Posted on 11/12/24 at 10:00 am to BugAC
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You're bad at trying to make arguments.
Yea, I’m a BAD mutha
Posted on 11/12/24 at 10:03 am to NC_Tigah
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Forever war is the only alternative as long as that "preferred outcome" is a goal.
But the preferred outcome doesn't matter. This region is going to be a geopolitical flashpoint for decades if not the rest of this century. Like you said, the die is cast. The outcome that everyone is preparing for is the one in which conflict is assured. Negotiations will take place with that reality as a backdrop. But that isn't something unusual about geopolitics or even human affairs. The last few decades of relative peace have been unusual with respect to the longer trends of human history.
Posted on 11/12/24 at 10:09 am to CitizenK
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No one on this thread is for any forever war,
Some of you are, you're just too dumb to realize thats the outcome your stance results in
Posted on 11/12/24 at 10:10 am to cypher
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There is simply no way the proposals can be implemented if the current leadership in Kiev remains
You think this ends with Zelensky still in office?
Posted on 11/12/24 at 10:13 am to CitizenK
quote:"Thinks" is too strong a word here. It's just another case of Liars lie.
Another Underpants Gnome thinks that equipment long paid for is cash.
Posted on 11/12/24 at 10:16 am to CitizenK
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Another Underpants Gnome thinks that equipment long paid for is cash.
LINK
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CLAIM: The U.S. is not providing cash to Ukraine; it only supports the country through donated military equipment.
AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. While the U.S. is indeed providing weapons and equipment to Ukraine, it has also provided billions in financial assistance to the country following Russia’s invasion.
Posted on 11/12/24 at 10:19 am to VolSquatch
I think people that educated themselves to the situation know this. We are sending cash and arms.
This post was edited on 11/12/24 at 10:35 am
Posted on 11/12/24 at 10:29 am to BugAC
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I'm relaying second hand knowledge from a friend who was in the region. I'd say that knowledge is more relevant than anything you get from the media.
Your friend talked to an Uber driver and you think that this is a reliable way to evaluate the entire conflict. You really just said that.
Posted on 11/12/24 at 10:31 am to lsu777
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literally
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not directly no, but they hint about it.
Ok so not literally.
So can you link us to a post where someone here figuratively hinted that Ukraine needed to totally destroy Russia and occupy Moscow?
Because all I have ever seen is people wishing Russia would pack up its army and go back to Russia.
Posted on 11/12/24 at 10:34 am to VolSquatch
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You think this ends with Zelensky still in office?
You think Trump is going to overthrow a democratically elected government because they refuse to accept a peace deal?
I think the war goes on for another 5-8 years. So I don't think Zelensky will still be there. But it won't be because he redfused a deal that Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin pushed him to take.
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