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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 9/27/24 at 6:10 pm to
Posted by BigAppleTiger
New York City
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 9/27/24 at 6:10 pm to
One just has to look at Georgia as well to see where this is going, or has already gone. It's no mystery. Russia under Putin will take what it is allowed to... no more no less.



Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39820 posts
Posted on 9/27/24 at 6:16 pm to
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Only 30% is still moslem. Many have converted to Christianity along with Zoroasterism.


This is absolutely not true. I'd wager there are far more atheists in Iran than Christians.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20970 posts
Posted on 9/27/24 at 6:36 pm to
Oh, it depends entirely on what people mean by these terms.

In America, as in other countries where people can choose their religion freely, your religion is whatever you choose to believe, or, alternately, how you choose to affiliate yourself.

It's not that way at all in the Middle East. There, your religion is defined for you at birth and can only officially be changed by a judge. This is true even in countries like Jordan that offer a lot of religious freedom.

That's because there are different laws for Christians, Shiites, Sunni, etc. The laws on marriage (e.g. how many wives you can have), divorce, child custody, and many other things are different based on your religion.

So, while my young Kurdish language tutor in Sulaymaniyah may tell me that she believes that there is no god (not something she would not say in public), she doesn't call herself an atheist. Rather, she is Muslim (because she was born Muslim), but she's "not religious."
This post was edited on 9/27/24 at 6:42 pm
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 9/27/24 at 6:38 pm to
Posted by Philzilla2k
Member since Oct 2017
12744 posts
Posted on 9/27/24 at 6:45 pm to
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Rather, she is Muslim (because she was born Muslim), but she's "not religious."

Is that because Kurds like to cut off the clit?
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20970 posts
Posted on 9/27/24 at 7:23 pm to
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Is that because Kurds like to cut off the clit?


You know, we still live in a free country, and there's no law forcing you to tell everyone that you're retarded.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 9/27/24 at 7:53 pm to
This should surprise, no one.

Our experts are stupid people, with meaningless credentials, who are paid to tell people what they want to hear.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20970 posts
Posted on 9/27/24 at 8:11 pm to
Tonight, I'm imagining Jake Sullivan slowly going insane as he asks himself time and time again how Israel can be so dense as to completely ignore escalation management.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4669 posts
Posted on 9/27/24 at 8:17 pm to
ISW Update Sept 27th

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Key Takeaways:

Ukrainian forces repelled a reinforced battalion-size Russian mechanized assault in the Kupyansk direction on September 26 — the first large Russian mechanized assault along the Kupyansk-Svatove-Kreminna line since Winter 2024.

Russian forces may be intensifying their efforts to reach the Oskil River, although Russian advances on the east (left) bank of the Oskil River will likely continue to be relatively gradual.

The Russian military command has demonstrated that it will likely accept continued gradual gains along the Kupyansk-Svatove-Kreminna line, however.

The Western Grouping of Forces likely has limited capacity to maintain an intensified offensive effort along the Kupyansk-Svatove-Kreminna line or conduct effective combat operations that result in more rapid gains.

Russian authorities appear to be expending a significant amount of effort to influence the Western debate about allowing Ukraine to use Western-provided weapons to conduct long-range strikes against military objects in Russia. This Russian effort suggests a deep concern with the operational pressures that such strikes into Russia would generate on Russian offensive operations in Ukraine, although US officials remain hesitant to permit Ukraine to conduct such strikes.

The benefits of allowing Ukraine to use Western-provided long-range strike systems against Russia may outweigh the risk of Russian retaliation more than Western policymakers are currently considering.

Russian Defense Minister Andrei Belousov met with Kremlin-affiliated milbloggers on September 27, likely as part of the ongoing Kremlin effort to coopt Russian milbloggers and downplay recent backlash in the ultranationalist information space over the death of two prominent drone operators.

The People's Republic of China (PRC) announced a new initiative to draw international support for its alternative peace plan for Ukraine amid increasing cooperation with Russia.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky continued to meet with US officials about the war in Ukraine during his visit to the US on September 26 and 27.

Russian and Ukrainian forces continued assaults in Kursk Oblast, but neither side made further advances.

Russian forces recently advanced within and around Toretsk and southeast of Pokrovsk.

Russian authorities continue to threaten Russian frontline soldiers' ad-hoc communications networks.




Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15692 posts
Posted on 9/27/24 at 8:29 pm to
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This is absolutely not true. I'd wager there are far more atheists in Iran than Christians.
Maybe that is part of the mix not reported, like many in Tehran. Per an Iranian friend it isn't easy to convert to Zororastian and he is one.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
105281 posts
Posted on 9/27/24 at 11:07 pm to
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In America, as in other countries where people can choose their religion freely, your religion is whatever you choose to believe, or, alternately, how you choose to affiliate yourself.

It's not that way at all in the Middle East. There, your religion is defined for you at birth and can only officially be changed by a judge. This is true even in countries like Jordan that offer a lot of religious freedom.



While in theory that's very true, in practice, the vast majority of people in all regions of the world are whatever religion (or in some cases, non-religion) they were born into. They may not be a practicing Catholic, Jew, or whatever, but they consider it part of their identity.
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
3946 posts
Posted on 9/28/24 at 1:17 am to
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Russian authorities appear to be expending a significant amount of effort to influence the Western debate about allowing Ukraine to use Western-provided weapons to conduct long-range strikes against military objects in Russia. This Russian effort suggests a deep concern with the operational pressures that such strikes into Russia would generate on Russian offensive operations in Ukraine, although US officials remain hesitant to permit Ukraine to conduct such strikes.

The benefits of allowing Ukraine to use Western-provided long-range strike systems against Russia may outweigh the risk of Russian retaliation more than Western policymakers are currently considering.


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Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 9/28/24 at 2:02 am to
The Russians threatened to retaliate by giving the Houthi P-800s
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5648 posts
Posted on 9/28/24 at 5:08 am to
Posted by No Colors
Sandbar
Member since Sep 2010
13315 posts
Posted on 9/28/24 at 6:01 am to
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Russians threatened to retaliate by giving the Houthi P-800s


That fits in well with the Russia, Iran, North Korea axis of terrorism.

I guess since Russia failed to choke off grain exports from the Black Sea (when their fleet sank), they figure to shut down commercial cargo in the Suez Canal.

That will show the West! Putin will not be bullied!
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 9/28/24 at 7:56 am to
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This post was edited on 9/28/24 at 8:08 am
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15692 posts
Posted on 9/28/24 at 8:49 am to
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This should surprise, no one.


That the Russian army is crap and was grossly overestimated as battle hardened even though it had attacked civilian targets with little shoot back in Syria and Chechnya?

Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39820 posts
Posted on 9/28/24 at 9:34 am to
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should surprise, no one.

Our experts are stupid people, with meaningless credentials, who are paid to tell people what they want to hear.


Did you read the article?
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42611 posts
Posted on 9/28/24 at 10:24 am to
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That the Russian army is crap and was grossly overestimated as battle hardened even though it had attacked civilian targets with little shoot back in Syria and Chechnya?


True.

When the special operation initially began, I was praying for Ukraine. I expected Russia would unleash their version of shock and awe on a undermanned opponent lacking the necessary air power, artillery and throw weight to stymie Russia.

I expected Ukraine would go down much like Iraq did in Kuwait. Air power coupled with the artillery and Russian tanks would blitz them and the war would be over in short order.

Well we know what happened, Russia was exposed and the war has grounded on. I don’t believe many so-called experts expected this to happen.

Two and a half years later we’ve seen a few real changes, the last being Ukraine’s excursion into Kursk; however, nothing has happened to tilt things one way or another.

It appears to me that Russia can not do the job of defeating Ukraine without a major change in strategy and that means an all out war with a big draft. Sure they could use nukes instead, but I don’t think that they will risk becoming the world’s bad guy and do that.

The only out for them is political. Russia wants out. Ukraine wants them out. The West wants to save money. I see a political solution coming. That’s really the only realistic solution right now.

Russia isn’t strong enough to win outright.
Posted by ticklechain
Forgotten coast
Member since Mar 2018
834 posts
Posted on 9/28/24 at 10:36 am to
Agree with what you are saying...however, no one stepped in to help Iraq out. Had no one stepped in for Ukraine I believe this would have ended long ago. I'm sure there would be some pockets of resistance, but nothing like we see today
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