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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 9/27/24 at 10:36 am to Bunk Moreland
Posted on 9/27/24 at 10:36 am to Bunk Moreland
I would suggest "could" is not really a conclusion but a speculation..
Also what specifically is Russia going to do with "force" that the haven't at least already attempted...
But of course the NY Times is such a stalwart of media acumen...
Also what specifically is Russia going to do with "force" that the haven't at least already attempted...
But of course the NY Times is such a stalwart of media acumen...
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Posted on 9/27/24 at 10:40 am to Lee B
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I already addressed you bringing that up in my post, before you did it.
sorta fair point but I also disagree... IMO there are nuances here that are being overlooked.. such as..
Trump began the process of getting us out of Afghanistan not Obama
Obama was de-escalating the tensions between us and Iran.. (maybe even fair to say warming up to them..) not Trump
Posted on 9/27/24 at 11:16 am to klrstix
So it appears Biden and Sullivan pussied out again and refused to give Ukraine permission to use western weapons inside Russia. Poland, Finland, Sweden, and several other central and eastern European countries have given Ukraine permission to use weapons they produce inside Russia. Ukraine had reached a deal with Romania to produce Neptune missiles in Romania. Poland and the Czech Republic have been investing their defense industries and they ain't pussies like Biden's America. Which raises the question, why hasn't Ukraine licensed production of the Neptune missile and its land equivalent the Neptune-MD to be produced in Poland and the Czech Republic and other countries? That would give Ukraine the ability to strike inside Russia and get around the USA's roadblocks.
Posted on 9/27/24 at 12:38 pm to WeeWee
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So it appears Biden and Sullivan pussied out again and refused to give Ukraine permission to use western weapons inside Russia. Poland, Finland, Sweden, and several other central and eastern European countries have given Ukraine permission to use weapons they produce inside Russia. Ukraine had reached a deal with Romania to produce Neptune missiles in Romania. Poland and the Czech Republic have been investing their defense industries and they ain't pussies like Biden's America. Which raises the question, why hasn't Ukraine licensed production of the Neptune missile and its land equivalent the Neptune-MD to be produced in Poland and the Czech Republic and other countries? That would give Ukraine the ability to strike inside Russia and get around the USA's roadblocks.
So I guess neither side of our political establishment is willing to stand up to Putin's nuclear sabre-rattling.
Posted on 9/27/24 at 12:54 pm to Lee B
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So I guess neither side of our political establishment is willing to stand up to Putin's nuclear sabre-rattling.
Well lets also be transparent here, they aren't willing to for Ukraine. Because Russia has the escalation advantage. Which we've known since the USSR broke up
Posted on 9/27/24 at 12:59 pm to WeeWee
Only thing I can figure at this point is that they are privy to something we are not. Or they are just pussies
Posted on 9/27/24 at 1:12 pm to Lee B
yea i dunno if Obama would have ordered the strike but that dude loved offing some desert people with drones. to the point im not sure he didnt get off on it.
Posted on 9/27/24 at 1:44 pm to VolSquatch
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So I guess neither side of our political establishment is willing to stand up to Putin's nuclear sabre-rattling.
Well lets also be transparent here, they aren't willing to for Ukraine. Because Russia has the escalation advantage. Which we've known since the USSR broke up
Will Lithuania be much different? Putin says he deserves a land bridge to Kaliningrad... that sounds familiar... so we'll see when we see, I guess... but the Russian TV blowhards say we won't stand up for NATO countries anymore than Ukraine... and a certain somebody over here is making statements that joke about maybe not thinking that's worth it...
Posted on 9/27/24 at 1:57 pm to klrstix
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Trump began the process of getting us out of Afghanistan not Obama
So he's more for retreating than Obama was?
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Obama was de-escalating the tensions between us and Iran.. (maybe even fair to say warming up to them..) not Trump
Iran is a country of people held hostage by Islamicist wackos. Besides bribing them to not pursue nukes (which they will probably fire at Israel at some point if they get them...), the thought was that by "normalizing" relations it gave more power to the businessmen and regular population in the country as they could deal with the outside world, and that would help them get a footing to oust the Mullahs like they've been trying to do in the streets ever since they took over. That approach came in hindsight of Afghanistan and Iraq, where forcing change through military confrontation just created unstable chaos. The sanctions and everything else on Iran have just weakened the citizens in every way and boosted the mullahs power over them.
I'm not sure if that approach was going to work, but it doesn't matter, now. I don't doubt that Putin is exchanging nuclear tech with Iran as part of their BFF relationship, now... and that's why Israel wants to rid itself of Hamas and Hezbollah ruthlessly and quickly at the moment so it can focus on full-scale sabotage and probably bombing of any Iranian nuke activity.
Posted on 9/27/24 at 2:00 pm to Camp Randall
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I see it’s a PT invasion here now. Something good must have happened for Russia, Iran, North Korea, or Commie China.
What an idiotic statement. Per par
Posted on 9/27/24 at 2:23 pm to Camp Randall
No, something good happened for America. Not that you'd care.
Posted on 9/27/24 at 2:50 pm to WeeWee
A detailed video on the Baltic states as they are de-Russifying their countries that the USSR had Russified. They want nothing to do with Russia and I'm sure they are nervous about Russia wanting a corridor to Kaliningrad.
This post was edited on 9/27/24 at 2:58 pm
Posted on 9/27/24 at 3:35 pm to Auburn1968
Serious flash point here.
Posted on 9/27/24 at 3:56 pm to ticklechain
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Only thing I can figure at this point is that they are privy to something we are not.
For all of my trying to dig into some perspective on this over the past few years, all I've found is that the post-Stalin Soviet leaders, no matter how hardcore ideological, were not mass-homicidal lunatics... but Putin and his cadre just might be... and that's based on their general doctrine and targeting civilians in their own former satellite states. Yeltsin launched wars in Chechnya, etc., but Putin launched missiles into apartment buildings and hospitals in Chechnya to get his way. They simply don't doubt that he would pop a tactical nuke if he calculates he would get away with it.
Posted on 9/27/24 at 4:13 pm to Lee B
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They simply don't doubt that he would pop a tactical nuke if he calculates he would get away with it.
That does zero good on the battlefield unless something like the Fulda Gap with an army massed to defend or invade. Against a civilian target it makes Russia a pariah nation even to opportunists like India. It would all but kill Russia as a nation, but as a nation it's demographics show it dying in a few decades anyway
Posted on 9/27/24 at 4:48 pm to CitizenK
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That does zero good on the battlefield unless something like the Fulda Gap with an army massed to defend or invade. Against a civilian target it makes Russia a pariah nation even to opportunists like India. It would all but kill Russia as a nation, but as a nation it's demographics show it dying in a few decades anyway
All part of why they think if cornered he's enough of a psychopath to do it. Playing chicken with a psychopath who has nothing to lose.
I'm not saying I really agree with it, necessarily... because I don't think he's suicidal and that would be his undoing, and his undoing will only result in his death. That just seems to be the general assessment...
I mean, who isn't concerned that North Korea will do something stupid if they ever get ballistic missiles to work well?
Or Iran, whose regime thinks they will be rewarded by Allah if they exterminate Israel and the infidel Sunni states?
Posted on 9/27/24 at 5:04 pm to Lee B
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Or Iran, whose regime thinks they will be rewarded by Allah if they exterminate Israel and the infidel Sunni states?
Only 30% is still moslem. Many have converted to Christianity along with Zoroasterism.
Posted on 9/27/24 at 5:34 pm to CitizenK
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Only 30% is still moslem. Many have converted to Christianity along with Zoroasterism.
But they are not in control of the country... or its military...
Posted on 9/27/24 at 5:37 pm to CitizenK
I'm also not sure that they "converted," as Islamicists consider that a transgression punishable by death... they were always Christian (Coptic?) and always Zoroastrian... believe it or not, there's also a Jewish population in Iran, who are not generally messed with...
But Israel...
But Israel...
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