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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 7/26/24 at 6:32 am to
Posted by StormyMcMan
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Posted on 7/26/24 at 6:32 am to
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 7/26/24 at 6:36 am to
Interest rate in Russia was raised from 16% to 18% to control inflation. Meanwhile contracts to join the military have increased substantially and pulls Russians from manufacturing workforce while phobias are now stemming the flow of migrant workers from Central Asian nations.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 7/26/24 at 6:38 am to
British Defence Intelligence
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 26 July 2024

Russian Navy Day is an annual display of Russian maritime power intended to celebrate the Russian Federation Navy. Although popular in the 1970s, the event was cancelled in 1980 until 2017, when Russian President Vladimir Putin reinstated the event as a public holiday
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Although celebrations take place all over Russia, the main event takes place in St. Petersburg with Russian vessels parading along the Neva River to Kronstadt Naval Base. This year however, reporting indicates that the Kronstadt element of the parade, which should be taking place on 28 July 2024, has been cancelled citing security concerns.

This is not the first time that events have been cancelled since Russia invaded Ukraine. However, it is the most high profile event to be cancelled and highlights a growing trend that Russia is unable to guarantee the protection of
its forces.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 7/26/24 at 6:54 am to
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The economies of the US, EU, UK, Japan and South Korea alone are 35x larger than Russia's.



Yet Russia produces more shells, and armored vehicles than we do combined.

They have a six to one advantage in drones.

The reality is that we dismantled our industrial base, including the military side, and shifted to a service economy. We can airdrop a Bain consultant on their head, I guess.

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It has one factory that produces about 100 artillery barrels per year. The machines in that factory all came from Germany.



Annual production is estimated at around 1,500 barrels a year IIRC

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All of its oil refining equipment comes from Asia or Europe. It cannot make ball bearings to modern specs. Its auto manufacturing triumph is the Lada.

Russia makes a few raw commodities in large quantities. But a war machine takes millions of SKUs to keep rolling.



They’re buying what they need from China, or through intermediaries in neighboring countries.

They’re also rapidly developing domestic production to be more self sufficient.
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
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Posted on 7/26/24 at 7:02 am to
I can see most of that potentially happening, but I don't see NATO membership. Trump himself has said several times he believes in the "Russian Red Line" theory in regards to Ukrainian NATO membership.

Do you really think he or the people who are going to be in his admin would just leak what their ultimate negotiating goals are for ending the conflict? You Turn the screws, then go to the table. Pretty common negotiating tactic.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 7/26/24 at 7:09 am to
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Yet Russia produces more shells, and armored vehicles than we do combined.



True before the invasion, but absolutely false now.

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Annual production is estimated at around 1,500 barrels a year IIRC



If anything like that were remotely close to true, then Russia wouldn't have just pulled large numbers of M-46 guns out of storage and sent them to the front.

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They’re also rapidly developing domestic production to be more self sufficient.



Russia lacks the workforce to do any such thing. With a war producing 30k casualties per month, Russian industry can't "rapidly develop" squat.
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 7/26/24 at 7:21 am to
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They’re also rapidly developing domestic production to be more self sufficient.


BWAHAHAHA, typically a Russian drilling rig is operated 1/10th as efficient as the same rig operated by North Americans. That was before US crews lowered time to drill a well from a month to 5 days. Typically, a Russian drilling crew will get paid several months later. This is a major reason that they work so slow. They basically don't give a rat's arse about productivity because they know they are constantly screwed over.

What hack gave you your information? Talk about being a clueless dumbass.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
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Posted on 7/26/24 at 7:26 am to
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They’re buying what they need from China


Companies buy throwaway equipment from China. Our manufacturing has since returned to purchasing mechanical equipment made in the USA due downtime from Chinese mechanical equipment failure rate.

You have absolutely zero clue about the things you spew.

FWIW, a client manufactures ingredients for water based drilling fluids from corn and potato starch, chemically modified and has been doing this since the mid 1960's. European multinational starch manufacturing has tried to replicate it and failed. China tried copying and failed. India is trying via having major drilling fluids companies conduct QA/QC plant studies with Indian engineering firms to inspect equipment, process and data. Client said "FU" go ahead and buy their substandard substitutes
This post was edited on 7/26/24 at 7:31 am
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 7/26/24 at 7:28 am to
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If anything like that were remotely close to true, then Russia wouldn't have just pulled large numbers of M-46 guns out of storage and sent them to the front.


High velocity shell, it’s a naval gun. It has better range and the shells are readily available.

What they’re doing is maximizing their firepower advantage. It’s not replacing anything, it’s supplementing it.

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True before the invasion, but absolutely false now.


Take some time and look at our production figures. We’re having trouble spooling up. The EU said their 155 production is 50% lower than expected.

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With a war producing 30k casualties per month


If that was true, Russia wouldn’t have been able to grow their force to 600k men. The Ukrainians are lying about their losses and overstating the Russian ones to bolster morale.
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Posted by CitizenK
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Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 7/26/24 at 7:34 am to
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If that was true, Russia wouldn’t have been able to grow their force to 600k men.


What happened to the million man army pre 2022?

Rusia is offering big money to attract rural males, some beyond the age of 65. How much training is required to be part of a meat wave? "This is the gun, this is how you point it and then pull the trigger."
Posted by REG861
Ocelot, Iowa
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 7/26/24 at 7:57 am to
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This won't work because the industrial capacity doesn't exist in the West to achieve anything like parity with the Russians. Russias industrial advantage has increased since the war started. Ukraine's leverage is time and cost, they can offer Russia a cheaper victory if Russia is willing to settle for less



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Russia’s economy is smaller than Texas’.

Posted by REG861
Ocelot, Iowa
Member since Oct 2011
38159 posts
Posted on 7/26/24 at 8:00 am to
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Yet Russia produces more shells, and armored vehicles than we do combined. They have a six to one advantage in drones. The reality is that we dismantled our industrial base, including the military side, and shifted to a service economy. We can airdrop a Bain consultant on their head, I guess.


Please never bitch and moan about the neocons or MIC again. You’ve forfeited that right. You are the neocon. You want the endless wartime economy where the only metric of health is how many shells we produce.
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 7/26/24 at 8:04 am to
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Yet Russia produces more shells, and armored vehicles than we do combined
because this matters in modern conflict
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 7/26/24 at 8:25 am to
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The reality is that we dismantled our industrial base


The reality is Russia is in an all out war and we are not.

Russia is exhausting themselves to win a kilometer here and there; while the US is half arse supporting Ukraine.

Putin has put Russia in a terrible spot. China has to be licking their chops.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 7/26/24 at 8:26 am to
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What happened to the million man army pre 2022?


The invasion force was 100k men.

The larger figure is total personnel all branches.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 7/26/24 at 8:27 am to
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because this matters in modern conflict


It’s why they’re winning and we’re losing.
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
8590 posts
Posted on 7/26/24 at 8:50 am to
It will wear you completely out. You are literally being graded for everything you do flying combat training sorties so your mind is working 10x harder than your body is and your body isn’t taking a day off either. Every muscle is tight as a tick from your eyes to your a-hole until you’re wheels down again and engine shutdown. This is the big difference between these first group of Mig-29 converted pilots that will be in the air very soon in Ukraine with their F-16s and the rest that will be coming in the future. The first 20 or so graduates will be ex fighter pilots that have gone conversion training to the F-16 from the Mig-29 but after that Ukraine is smartly sending new recruits as its way way way easier to train a fresh recruit who has basic airmanship without being ingrained with soviet tactics which are night and day to our own. You have to first wipe out that huge part of these first pilot’s lives and teach them a complete opposite way of doing things. To change that muscle memory is no easy task. The simulators no doubt are great tools to let the pilot refine their skills but it still doesn’t replace actually doing it for real, and it’s not meant to. The one thing Ukraine can do to help themselves, and I believe they are already doing this, is to make sure these new pilots are already proficient with the English language. It’s the 1st and most important leap they must make in order to operate the F-16.
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
8364 posts
Posted on 7/26/24 at 9:16 am to
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Annual production is estimated at around 1,500 barrels a year IIRC


If anything like that were remotely close to true, then Russia wouldn't have just pulled large numbers of M-46 guns out of storage and sent them to the front.


I don't believe the numbers the Kremlin spokesman gave, but at the same time pulling out of storage isn't necessarily indicative of anything. Are they choosing to pull from storage to use the old stuff first? pulling from storage temporarily to fill a void while ramping up production elsewhere? We are supposedly "pulling from storage" ourselves... that doesn't mean we have to as a last resort.
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
8364 posts
Posted on 7/26/24 at 9:18 am to
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The reality is Russia is in an all out war and we are not.

Russia is exhausting themselves to win a kilometer here and there; while the US is half arse supporting Ukraine.


The aggregate of the US and all the other countries supporting Ukraine is > Russia. So even if we are half-assing it, Ukraine has the resources it needs. If Ukraine loses it won't be because of weaponry.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 7/26/24 at 9:38 am to
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The aggregate of the US and all the other countries supporting Ukraine is > Russia.


The aggregate is smaller than Russia in everything but probably aircraft.
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