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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 7/22/24 at 5:02 pm to
Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
26257 posts
Posted on 7/22/24 at 5:02 pm to
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Biden's policy has been to fight Russia until the last Ukrainian dies. Remember it was Biden and his advisors who delayed sending tanks to Ukraine, delayed sending F16s to Ukraine, stopped the Polish Mig deal, and refused to send ATACAMs to Ukraine. If Harris continues Biden's policies then at best Ukraine fights until it runs out of men. If Harris is more incompetent that Biden which I believe is likely than Ukraine fights until it runs out of men and women.


This is true. All truth.

They have stalled/slow walked this on purpose and this administration has the blood of thousands of Ukrainians on their hands. They don't know what the hell they are doing. Anyone can go research what the generals think of their policy.

But they have that bumper sticker slogan: "As long as it takes."

Harris is an incompetent, bumbling fool. She has screwed up everything she has touched as VP. A total failure. Border Zsar(laughable). Just go back and look at her trip to Vietnam and SE Asia. Total disaster. Foreign leaders do not take that incompetent fool seriously. She is seriously out of her league. Can you see her representing the US against Putin or Xi? God help us.
This post was edited on 7/22/24 at 5:14 pm
Posted by texag7
College Station
Member since Apr 2014
41414 posts
Posted on 7/22/24 at 5:54 pm to
quote:

They have stalled/slow walked this on purpose and this administration has the blood of thousands of Ukrainians on their hands. They don't know what the hell they are doing. Anyone can go research what the generals think of their policy.


Biden and Harris are largely responsible for this war starting in the first place.

Worst administration in history
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
21020 posts
Posted on 7/22/24 at 6:01 pm to
Let's be honest: Biden's policy just whatever Jake Sullivan tells him.

Harris's National Security Adviser is Philip Gordon, and there are some indications that he would be less worried about "escalation." Before the invasion, he called for advanced equipment to be sent to Ukraine.

So, I actually feel confident that a Harris administration would be better for Ukraine, because Sullivan wouldn't be running the policy.
Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
26257 posts
Posted on 7/22/24 at 6:15 pm to
quote:

So, I actually feel confident that a Harris administration would be better for Ukraine, because Sullivan wouldn't be running the policy.


Whew! Man that makes me feel better.



Guess what? She is tied to that Biden policy. She cant distance herself from Biden's policies during the election. You can't get her off of the hook Bill.
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
28759 posts
Posted on 7/22/24 at 7:47 pm to
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If Harris is more incompetent that Biden which I believe is likely than Ukraine fights until it runs out of men and women.

Trump is a potential real problem, and Kamala is generally weak and cautious in everything.

It is in the U.S.’ interest to contain a militarily aggressive Russia. Why our so-called leadership can’t sort this out is a sad mystery.
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
28759 posts
Posted on 7/22/24 at 7:50 pm to
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She cant distance herself from Biden's policies during the election.

While she certainly can, it is very unlikely. Harris has been invisible for four years. That’s a poor resume for chief executive.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4689 posts
Posted on 7/22/24 at 8:02 pm to
ISW Update

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Key Takeaways:

Russia and North Korea are pursuing increased cooperation in the judicial sphere.

Russia is taking steps to codify terms broadly expanding the Russian official definition of prosecutable extremism as part of its ongoing effort to criminally prosecute and stymie domestic opposition to the Kremlin and its war in Ukraine.

Kursk Oblast officials appointed a critical Russian milblogger to an advisory role within the regional government, likely as part of wider Kremlin efforts to appease critical commentators by granting them certain reputational concessions in exchange for their increased informational loyalty.

Ukrainian forces conducted drone strikes against Russian oil infrastructure in Krasnodar Krai and a military air base in Rostov Oblast on July 22.

Georgian authorities reportedly placed roughly 300 Georgian citizens who have served as volunteers in the Georgian Legion alongside Ukrainian forces on Georgia's wanted list.

Russian forces recently advanced near Vovchansk, Siversk, Toretsk, and Donetsk City.


Posted by ned nederlander
Member since Dec 2012
5988 posts
Posted on 7/22/24 at 8:49 pm to
quote:

Biden's policy has been to fight Russia until the last Ukrainian dies. Remember it was Biden and his advisors who delayed sending tanks to Ukraine, delayed sending F16s to Ukraine, stopped the Polish Mig deal, and refused to send ATACAMs to Ukraine. If Harris continues Biden's policies then at best Ukraine fights until it runs out of men. If Harris is more incompetent that Biden which I believe is likely than Ukraine fights until it runs out of men and women.


Sure. All valid points. But what is Trump going to do that makes the Ukraine situation better? I don’t see him going more aggressive against Russia. I see him looking to trade Ukrainian territory for a cease fire so he can claim a clear political win heading into a hugely important mid-term for him.

Trump is a one term president this go round. Which he basically has 2 years to get anything done. He’s going to bring an end to the war by recognizing Ukrainian land as Russian.
Posted by TigersnJeeps
FL Panhandle
Member since Jan 2021
2876 posts
Posted on 7/22/24 at 9:21 pm to
Reuters article on the sad state of the production of 155mm artillery shells in the West.

quote:

Reuters interviewed dozens of current and former U.S., Ukrainian and North Atlantic Treaty Organization military officials, and reviewed thousands of pages of confidential U.S. Army briefings, public documents and other internal records. The reporting found that:

Production of the 155mm shell dropped so dramatically that, from summer 2014 to fall 2015, the U.S. added no new shells to its stockpile.

Manufacturing defects and safety violations triggered repeated production-line shutdowns. The 2021 discovery of cracks in shells cut production capacity in half for months.

A U.S. decision to change the type of explosive used in those shells hasn’t helped the war effort and, to date, has been an expensive flop: The Army spent $147 million on a facility it doesn’t use.

And a plan to replace an antiquated plant in Virginia that produced propellant to launch the shells has fallen a decade behind its scheduled completion and has almost doubled in price. That delay has created a greater U.S. reliance on raw materials from overseas than is publicly known. One internal U.S. Army document from 2021 details “foreign dependencies” on at least a dozen chemicals made in China and India, countries with close trade ties to Russia.

Particularly ironic: The U.S. pre-war plan for sourcing the explosive TNT from overseas included contracts with a factory in eastern Ukraine. The plant was seized by Russia early in the war.


Reuters
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
Member since Apr 2010
41276 posts
Posted on 7/22/24 at 9:30 pm to
But we were assured that all the 155s we were giving were ‘old” and were scheduled to be replaced, anyway.
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
26821 posts
Posted on 7/22/24 at 10:40 pm to
quote:

But what is Trump going to do that makes the Ukraine situation better? I don’t see him going more aggressive against Russia.


My sense is that Trump will offer Putin a carrot and a stick. If Putin doesn't go for the carrot, he's get the big stick.

I don't think Putin will go for the carrot.
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
20235 posts
Posted on 7/22/24 at 11:12 pm to
Trump gets in office all funding to Ukraine ceases, they can rely on the crumbs the EU is giving them if they want to continue the war until there is no ukraine.

Option B, Russia keeps the land they have repatriated, their funds and interest are released. We vote no on ukraine joining nato and Russia agrees to stop advancing.

ukraine is absolutely vulnerable without the US so they better choose wisely.

Its not our job to defend every country in the world. If you believe that then why arent we in Sudan right now, or yemen, or burma (and yes its burma not that made up country they call themselves), or Israel? Because they wont give us kickbacks thats why. .

Posted by tigeraddict
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2007
14891 posts
Posted on 7/23/24 at 5:55 am to
Problem is Russia doesn’t want just the land the captured. They want the remaining on the oblasts partially claimed. They want Zelenskyy gone with a pro russian leader installed. And no nato or EU membership.

Without a defensive pack (nato) then there is nothing to prevent Russia doing this again down the road.


Posted by No Colors
Sandbar
Member since Sep 2010
13499 posts
Posted on 7/23/24 at 6:46 am to
quote:

Trump gets in office all funding to Ukraine ceases


Wanna bet?
quote:

Russia keeps the land they have repatriated,




Delicious
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5722 posts
Posted on 7/23/24 at 6:58 am to
there's a second video of the MANPAD shot in the same thread

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This post was edited on 7/23/24 at 7:02 am
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
8423 posts
Posted on 7/23/24 at 7:11 am to
quote:

But we were assured that all the 155s we were giving were ‘old” and were scheduled to be replaced, anyway.


"its more expensive to keep it than to just give it away" was a good one as well
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
8423 posts
Posted on 7/23/24 at 7:15 am to
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I don't think Putin will go for the carrot.


If It were Biden offering the carrot I would agree.

Trump showed multiple times during his administration that he does not frick around when it comes to foreign policy. He will negotiate with anyone in the world, but he also has the rep that he is unpredictable and will go farther than a 'normal' president would.
Posted by No Colors
Sandbar
Member since Sep 2010
13499 posts
Posted on 7/23/24 at 8:45 am to
quote:

But we were assured that all the 155s we were giving were ‘old” and were scheduled to be replaced, anyway


Link?
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42747 posts
Posted on 7/23/24 at 8:51 am to
quote:

But we were assured that all the 155s we were giving were ‘old” and were scheduled to be replaced, anyway.


Reads as if we have been replacing shells for at least ten years, but there were or still are issues in doing so.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16096 posts
Posted on 7/23/24 at 10:19 am to
quote:

But we were assured that all the 155s we were giving were ‘old” and were scheduled to be replaced, anyway.


Cluster munitions 100% correct, We banned using them under Obama and they were all scheduled to be destroyed.

You misspelled turdroller
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