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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 6/30/24 at 5:01 pm to VolSquatch
Posted on 6/30/24 at 5:01 pm to VolSquatch
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- the far right won the first round of elections in France, which could be bad for Ukraine long term
34% is not a majority and it is a parliament not what we have. A coalition will end up running things.
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On Russian advances, has anyone seen any reliable source study the type of territory that is being captured? I ask because taking .25 km sq.
Seems to be a field or two, losing many soldiers in each effort. Russia seems to be pulling back on the Kharkiv front, or losing entire units trying to hold. Ukraine seems to prefer gradual push hammering Russians to dust instead of lightning thrusts. The Aggregate Factory is a misleading name to me. Aggregate here means sand and gravel. The factory actually makes plastic parts for piping, mostly in polyethylene, 90's, Tees, etc... via injection molding. German banks will gladly fund rebuilding purchase of excellent best in the world German made machinery for these processes.
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Posted on 6/30/24 at 5:02 pm to GOP_Tiger
"Understanding the Russian Invasion of Ukraine as a War of Religion", continued ...
Of course, Russia seeing Baptists and other evangelical Christians as a threat is only a minor part of the religious aspect of the Russian invasion.
The much bigger factor is the establishment of the Orthodox Church of Ukraine (OCU). In writing about this, I am slightly out of my depth, as I am obviously not Orthodox, but this is as I understand it -- I'm sure that Lima will correct me where I am wrong, lol.
The story begins in the year 988, when Vladimir the Great is baptized at Kiev and the Kievan Rus begins the history of Christianity among the Rus. Though the seat of Russian Christianity is moved in the 13th century due to the Mongol invasion, Kyiv is still very much the spiritual ancestor of the Russian Orthodox Church, and there's a Russian sense in which places such as the Kyiv Pechersk Lavra, the church and monastery which date back to 1051, BELONG to Russia in the spiritual sense.
Since the late Middle Ages, the Ukrainian Orthodox Church has been subject to the Patriarchate of Moscow. But in 2018, the OCU was established, and its authority was confirmed the next year by the Patriarch of Constantinople, in an act that infuriated Russians, as Lima expressed in his post above.
Here's an article that expresses the idea of Russia retaking religious control: LINK
Like an ex who denies the fact of a breakup, the ROC sees the Ukrainian church's separation is illegitimate. The separation of the OCU is the thus a "sin" of separatism. It meant a significant loss of Russian influence in Ukraine, which was a major contributing factor to Putin's decision to invade.
When you read about Russian hatred of Ukraine and Ukrainians, it's important to keep all of this in mind.
Of course, not all Ukrainian Orthodox joined the UOC. Some still believed that, spiritually, they were supposed to remain under the authority of Moscow, so the Moscow-affiliated UOC-MP churches have still existed, and something like 20% of Ukrainians still belong to those churches, and Russia has used those sympathetic clergy to spy and spread disinformation.
To this point, Ukraine has continued to allow the Russian-affiliated churches to exist, despite the perverse ramblings of Tucker and his ilk that those "Christians are being persecuted." That may be about to end, though, as the Ukrainian parliament is about to impose new restrictions on a church that is clearly a security threat.
Of course, Russia seeing Baptists and other evangelical Christians as a threat is only a minor part of the religious aspect of the Russian invasion.
The much bigger factor is the establishment of the Orthodox Church of Ukraine (OCU). In writing about this, I am slightly out of my depth, as I am obviously not Orthodox, but this is as I understand it -- I'm sure that Lima will correct me where I am wrong, lol.
The story begins in the year 988, when Vladimir the Great is baptized at Kiev and the Kievan Rus begins the history of Christianity among the Rus. Though the seat of Russian Christianity is moved in the 13th century due to the Mongol invasion, Kyiv is still very much the spiritual ancestor of the Russian Orthodox Church, and there's a Russian sense in which places such as the Kyiv Pechersk Lavra, the church and monastery which date back to 1051, BELONG to Russia in the spiritual sense.
Since the late Middle Ages, the Ukrainian Orthodox Church has been subject to the Patriarchate of Moscow. But in 2018, the OCU was established, and its authority was confirmed the next year by the Patriarch of Constantinople, in an act that infuriated Russians, as Lima expressed in his post above.
Here's an article that expresses the idea of Russia retaking religious control: LINK
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Now, Exarch of Africa Metropolitan Klinsky Leonid said in an interview with Ukraina.ru that “it is necessary to accept the corresponding dioceses, to consider the advisability of their separation, or unification and direct subordination to the Patriarch of Moscow and All Rus” in the case when “the territory of Ukraine is liberated from the Nazi regime.” Leonid added that he does not see any other solution.
He condemned the attempted separation of the OCU from the Moscow Patriarchate. “When the opportunity presented itself to get out from under the wing of Moscow, they did it”, he said, calling the move a case of “separatism.”
Like an ex who denies the fact of a breakup, the ROC sees the Ukrainian church's separation is illegitimate. The separation of the OCU is the thus a "sin" of separatism. It meant a significant loss of Russian influence in Ukraine, which was a major contributing factor to Putin's decision to invade.
When you read about Russian hatred of Ukraine and Ukrainians, it's important to keep all of this in mind.
Of course, not all Ukrainian Orthodox joined the UOC. Some still believed that, spiritually, they were supposed to remain under the authority of Moscow, so the Moscow-affiliated UOC-MP churches have still existed, and something like 20% of Ukrainians still belong to those churches, and Russia has used those sympathetic clergy to spy and spread disinformation.
To this point, Ukraine has continued to allow the Russian-affiliated churches to exist, despite the perverse ramblings of Tucker and his ilk that those "Christians are being persecuted." That may be about to end, though, as the Ukrainian parliament is about to impose new restrictions on a church that is clearly a security threat.
Posted on 6/30/24 at 5:04 pm to VolSquatch
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the amount Russia claims for to be killing per day @ 2,000
If Russia was killing even half that many then they'd be in Kiev by now.
Russia itself is sending 800-1000 men per day to the front. And it's army is slowly growing in size. So it's probably losing about 400-500 per day killed or seriously wounded (not able to return).
And Russia is attacking entrenched positions supported by precision guided artillery firing cluster bombs. Whatever Russia casualty rate is, Ukraine's is half or less. Just by the nature of the conflict and the role of the attacker vs the defender
Posted on 6/30/24 at 5:10 pm to VolSquatch
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Any actual news on the war? The lack of substantive posts when I’m out of pocket for a few days usually gives me a pretty good clue as to how things are going.
The Russian advance has been stopped in the Kharkiv region, and Ukraine is actually retaking positions in Vovchansk.
Likewise, the front at Chasiv Yar has been frozen now for several days.
Russia is still making some progress in the area west of Avdiivka, but that's just about it. It appears that the Russian offensive is about to culminate. The last week or so has seen a small decline in Russian vehicle losses.
Posted on 6/30/24 at 5:21 pm to VolSquatch
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Any actual news on the war? The lack of substantive posts when I’m out of pocket for a few days usually gives me a pretty good clue as to how things are going.
You mean, Russia is continually struggling to make any progress. Hence the lack of material updates.
Posted on 6/30/24 at 6:31 pm to CitizenK
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34% is not a majority
Didn’t say it was. They won the first round. Didn’t say they “won a majority”.
Posted on 6/30/24 at 6:32 pm to REG861
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You mean, Russia is continually struggling to make any progress. Hence the lack of material updates.
Well usually people are cranking their hogs over any positive Ukraine news, so the lack of that in itself is an indicator that best case it’s been a meat grinder/stalemate/whatever you want to call it
Posted on 6/30/24 at 6:48 pm to VolSquatch
ISW Update
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Key Takeaways:
Russian President Vladimir Putin's theory of victory that Russia will be able to make creeping advances in Ukraine indefinitely will incentivize Putin to protract the war and harden Putin's commitment to destroying Ukrainian statehood. The West must hasten to provide Ukraine the support it needs to conduct counteroffensive operations to invalidate Putin's theory of victory and avoid protracting the war more than necessary to secure a peace acceptable to Ukraine and its partners.
Putin retains his objective of entirely destroying Ukrainian statehood and identity, and all his objectives for territorial conquest in Ukraine are a means to this end.
The Russian military command appears to be separating some limited elements of airborne (VDV) units and formations into smaller components across different sectors of the front, and the Russian military command may still view VDV units as relatively elite, at least compared with other Russian units and formations.
Ukrainian forces reportedly struck the Novolipetsk Metallurgical Plant (NLMK) in Lipetsk Oblast on June 30.
Dagestan Republic Head Sergei Melikov publicly sided with Chechen Republic Head Ramzan Kadyrov in a recent debate between Kadyrov and Russian Investigative Commitee Head Alexander Bastrykin about responses to religious extremism in Russia amid growing ethnic and religious tension in Russia.
Military and civilian flights continue to experience GPS interference over Europe and the Middle East, highlighting the role of long-term GPS jamming in ongoing and future conflicts.
Ukrainian forces recently regained lost positions near Kreminna, and Russian forces recently advanced near Lyptsi, Vovchansk, Kupyansk, and Avdiivka.
A Russian milblogger claimed on June 29 that Russian military commanders sent about 50 wounded soldiers of the 26th Tank Regiment (47th Tank Division, 1st Guards Tank Army, Moscow Military District [MMD]), who are on leave awaiting medical treatments, to the front against doctors' instructions.
Posted on 6/30/24 at 6:51 pm to VolSquatch
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Well usually people are cranking their hogs over any positive Ukraine news, so the lack of that in itself is an indicator that best case it’s been a meat grinder/stalemate/whatever you want to call it
Well it’s a cynical truth but the lack of any updates generally bodes well for Ukraine because Russia stalling is good news. but yes there is a toll to that, the meat grinder that contributed to the stalled invasion. It’s not sunshine and rainbows but it’s better than the alternative of a Russian advance.
I will say in this case there has been strong Ukrainian performance in Vovchansk and it’s been a pretty acute Russian fail. Those reports have been posted here.
Posted on 6/30/24 at 6:59 pm to VolSquatch
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On Russian advances, has anyone seen any reliable source study the type of territory that is being captured? I ask because taking .25 km sq
This is one of the better sources I can find for that type of info, but it is in French
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Posted on 6/30/24 at 7:13 pm to REG861
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Lima is cut from a different cloth
I don't say this lightly and there is a bit of an intellectual compliment enclosed but LW is the most dangerous poster on TD from a philosophical standpoint at least of the regular posters.
Posted on 6/30/24 at 7:20 pm to VolSquatch
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- Russia’s FAB-3000’s seem to be pretty effective at taking out fortified positions based on reports
You don't have to be a PhD working at Aberdeen Proving Ground to wager FAB-3000s would be effective against fortified positions as long as you can put them on the bullseye.
I know they have turned the FAB-1500s into glide bombs have they done the same with its big brother?
Posted on 6/30/24 at 7:23 pm to Obtuse1
It seems they have. Read something the other day that said they had to modify the normal fins in order to control the much larger bomb. I guess the ones they use on the smaller ones weren't doing what they supposed to. Says the new fins will accommodate the 6, 9,& 12.
Posted on 6/30/24 at 7:47 pm to VolSquatch
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Well usually people are cranking their hogs over any positive Ukraine news, so the lack of that in itself is an indicator that best case it’s been a meat grinder/stalemate/whatever you want to call it
Russia launched an offensive, and for the most part it was repulsed even though many believed Ukraine was short of weapons and men.
You don’t call that positive news?
Posted on 6/30/24 at 7:52 pm to Obtuse1
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I don't say this lightly and there is a bit of an intellectual compliment enclosed but LW is the most dangerous poster on TD from a philosophical standpoint at least of the regular posters.
I'm surprised he's still around with his pro Russia, pro Hamas, antisemitic and anti West posts. Of course he's a poli board favorite
Posted on 6/30/24 at 8:10 pm to BamaSaint
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Of course he's a poli board favorite
The average PT’er is too stupid to understand what he’s saying or he’s advocating. I don’t doubt his intelligence, it’s just misdirected badly, like many mentally ill people who cave in on themselves. Think of how smart Bobby Fischer was and how he descended into this sad, paranoid and of course virulently anti-semitic hack. So it is with Lima. Some sort of personal tragedy caused him seek refuge in fundamentalist Eastern Orthodox dogma underlined with hysterical anti-semitism (although in fairness anti semitism is a pillar of the Russian Orthodox Church).
This post was edited on 6/30/24 at 8:12 pm
Posted on 6/30/24 at 9:31 pm to WeeWee
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I'd vote for his embalmed corpse over Trump.
Lenin or Mao?
okay, that was a good one! I lol'ed. You forgot Kim Il-Sung
Posted on 6/30/24 at 9:33 pm to VOLhalla
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1. Neither candidate seems up to the huge weight of the office. One is too old and the other has no good plans and is content to lie and try to gaslight about how awesome his first term was. Both parties should have nominated better candidates.
2. Further discussion of trump and Biden should be in a thread on the political board. This thread is about the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
1. I agree.
2. I agree. Sorry.
Posted on 6/30/24 at 9:49 pm to GOP_Tiger
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I know I just made fun of it, but I really wish everyone would read Lima's post carefully. He confirmed that the Russian invasion of Ukraine is a kind of jihad, an attempt to reimpose religious control over Ukraine. He attempted to justify persecution of evangelical Christians in Russian-controlled Ukraine with the explanation that they deserve it, because they are heretics. And he actually had the gall to claim that the OCU's creation was political, when in fact his own Russian Orthodox Church is literally run by a KGB agent who operates as a part of the Russian state.
If you wanted a summary of the freakishly twisted logic of the Z invasion, I'm not sure that you could get a better one than Lima just offered.
I read that over and over marveling at it...
Posted on 7/1/24 at 5:49 am to VOLhalla
quote:It would seem Trump vs Biden has significant outcome determinative ramifications in terms of "the Russian invasion of Ukraine." Unfortunately, the outcome issue was not effectively broached by the debate mods.
Further discussion of trump and Biden should be in a thread on the political board. This thread is about the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
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