re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Mate you are no longer my favourite poster on TD. Terrible take.

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That's the problem with losers. Always someone to blame. Illegal aliens. Big banks. The government. The Jews. Greedy corporations. Secret Cabals.

There's always some boogeyman who keeps them down. Zero accountability.

Most people I know and associate with are doing great. If that's not your situation, then you're just a loser who hangs out with losers. And your pastime is blaming the winners instead of learning the game.

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Don't you understand? They're victims. It seems like that's what everyone wants to be today. Our evil, capitalist society (or socialist government, whichever you prefer) is oppressing them.

Yeah! It's only the evil democrats. Republicans are 100 percent clean, honest, not bought out by any foreign countries.

Russia promises retaliation against US for Ukraine strike on Crimea




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"You should ask my colleagues in Europe, and above all in Washington, the press secretaries, why their governments are killing Russian children," Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov told reporters.
At least two children were killed in the attack on Sevastopol on Sunday, according to Russian officials. People were shown running from a beach near Sevastopol and some of the injured being carried off on sun loungers. Kyiv did not comment on the attack but denies targeting civilians.
Russia said the United States had supplied the weapons, while the U.S. military had aimed them and provided data.
Russia's Foreign Ministry summoned U.S. Ambassador Lynne Tracy and told her Washington was "waging a hybrid war against Russia and has actually become a party to the conflict".
"Retaliatory measures will definitely follow," it said.
Tracy said Washington regretted any loss to civilian life, State Department spokesperson Matthew Miller told reporters, adding that Washington provided weapons to Ukraine so it could defend its sovereign territory, including Crimea.
Pentagon spokesperson Major Charlie Dietz said that "Ukraine makes its own targeting decisions and conducts its own military operations."
A U.S. official later said that Ukraine was not targeting civilians. It seemed that the Russians were able to intercept an ATACMS missile that was targeting a missile launcher, and the ATACMS exploded with shrapnel raining down on the beach, the American official added.
President Vladimir Putin has repeatedly warned of the risk of a much broader war involving the world's biggest nuclear powers, though he has said Russia does not want a conflict with the U.S.-led NATO alliance.
RUSSIAN RETALIATORY MEASURES
U.S. President Joe Biden has ruled out sending U.S. troops to fight in Ukraine and said shortly after the 2022 full-scale Russian invasion that a direct confrontation between NATO and Russia would mean World War Three.
Putin presents the Ukraine war as part of a wider struggle with the U.S., which he says ignored Moscow's interests after the Soviet Union's 1991 break-up, then plotted to split Russia apart and seize its natural resources.
Leaders of the West and Ukraine have cast the war as an imperial-style land-grab. The West denies wanting to destroy Russia, which in turn denies intending to invade any NATO member state.
After the United States allowed Ukraine to direct some U.S. weapons into Russia, the Kremlin sent signals that it viewed this as a serious escalation.
Putin has ordered drills to practise deployment of tactical nuclear weapons, suggested Russia could station conventional missiles within striking distance of the United States and its allies, and sealed a mutual defence pact with North Korea.
Washington still prohibits Kyiv from striking recognised Russian territory with ATACMS, which have a range of up to 186 miles (300 km), and other long-range U.S. weapons.
Putin said on Thursday that Russia might supply weapons to North Korea in what he suggested would be a like-for-like response to the Western arming of Ukraine.
Asked what the Russian answer would be to the attack in Crimea, Peskov recalled Putin's words on June 6 about wider placement of conventional weapons.
"Of course, the involvement of the United States in the fighting, as a result of which peaceful Russians are dying, cannot but have consequences," Peskov said.
"Which ones exactly - time will tell."

It’s crazy how similar people in the Kremlin sound, to past and present Middle Eastern dictators.

There are reports that Russia has shot down a US Global Hawk reconnaissance drone over the Black Sea.

If true, that would be another Russian "escalation".


EDIT: Since there's been no other reporting on this, I believe that the report is false.

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There are reports that Russia has shot down a US Global Hawk reconnaissance drone over the Black Sea.

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Other reports that it turned its transponder off and returned to base. Who really knows?

Complete Independence from any level of Russian influence and total acceptance into the western world and alliances

Really not that hard

Crimea 1855

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Russia built Crimea into a military base after they conquered it. Then they ratchet up the war and use Crimea as a base of attack. And now they act surprised that Ukraine is retaliating.

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Russia built Crimea into a military base after they conquered it at the time of the American Revolution.

Historically fwiw, Crimea was never Ukrainian.

It was controlled in ancient times by Greeks, Romans, Venetians, etc. Subsequent to the medieval Arab–Byzantine wars, Crimea fell to the Turks where it remained for 5 1/2 centuries. Finally in the 18th century, Catherine the Great took Crimea for Russia a year before the minutemen did their thing at Lexington and Concord. From that point on, Crimea was Russian.

In 1954 Stalin thought he'd throw Ukraine a "Get over the Holodomor" bone. The "bone" was Russian Crimea, which, as home to the Black Sea Fleet, was quite militarized and included some of the most important naval installations in the USSR.

Amidst promises and counter-promises, most since broken, Russia did not dispute the post-soviet passing of Crimea to Ukraine in 1991. But Russia reneged on the concession in 2014, after Ukraine once again reneged on its own 1991-assurred neutrality amidst its US-backed coup d'état.

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The problem Ukraine has as it executes these forays is the ability of Russia execute in kind, and at a significantly escalated level. In reality, Ukraine has limited capacity vs Russia, while Russia could wipe Kyiv from the face of the planet. The concern we should have is in avoiding the latter possibility, to which each subsequent escalation brings us yet closer.

This war needs to end.