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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 6/25/24 at 5:07 am to Lima Whiskey
Posted on 6/25/24 at 5:07 am to Lima Whiskey
quote:
Crimea 1855
Russia lost that war. Sevastopol fell. The treaty signed forbade any Russian ships in the Black Sea. It wasn't harsh on Russia and Sevastopol was given back. The Tsar died.
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Posted on 6/25/24 at 5:44 am to NC_Tigah
quote:
In 1954 Stalin thought he'd throw Ukraine a "Get over the Holodomor" bone.
Stalin died in 1953.
It was Khrushchev and done because Crimea fit in with Ukraine better than it did with Russia in terms of economic ties. If anything Crimea should be an independent Tatar state, but Stalin did a pretty good job of ethnically cleansing them.
quote:
Ukraine once again reneged on its own 1991-assurred neutrality amidst its US-backed coup d'état.
There was nothing neutral about Viktor Yanukovych, he was a Russian puppet. The idea that it was caused by the US is much less credible than Ukrainians simply being sick of Russian dominance and abuse. You are repeating a Russian talking point which should be a bit embarrassing.
Posted on 6/25/24 at 5:57 am to Tigris
quote:He
There was nothing neutral about Viktor Yanukovych, he was a Russian puppet.
was
freely
elected.
Does it occur that, as Yanukovych kept Ukraine intact and at peace despite the pressures of NATO-Bucharest, he might have been less puppet and more pragmatist?
Posted on 6/25/24 at 6:10 am to GOP_Tiger
ISW Update
quote:
Key Takeaways:
Ukrainian Main Military Intelligence Directorate (GUR) Head Lieutenant General Kyrylo Budanov stated that Western military assistance is arriving in Ukraine, but that it will likely not arrive at a scale that will significantly impact the frontline situation until at least mid to late July 2024.
Budanov stated that a sufficient quantity of US-provided long-range ATACMS missiles could allow Ukrainian forces to strike the Russian-built Kerch Strait Bridge in occupied Crimea and sever an important Russian ground line of communication (GLOC) between occupied Crimea and Russia.
Current US policy regarding Ukraine's use of Western-provided weapons allows Ukraine to strike anywhere within Russian-occupied Ukraine, which presumably includes using long-range ATACMS to strike the portion of the Kerch Strait Bridge within Ukraine's internationally recognized land and maritime borders.
Kremlin officials absurdly attempted to link the June 23 Ukrainian strikes on legitimate military targets in occupied Sevastopol, Crimea and the likely Islamic State (IS) affiliate Wilayat Kavkaz terrorist attack in the Republic of Dagestan.
The Kremlin is attempting to maintain a veneer of stability and normalcy in response to the Dagestan terror attack.
The European Union (EU) adopted its 14th package of sanctions against Russia on June 24, including new restrictions against Russian funding to political parties and other "opinion-forming" organizations and Russian state media broadcasts within the EU.
The EU approved a first tranche of up to 1.4 billion euros (about $1.5 billion) in military assistance for Ukraine from the proceeds of frozen Russian assets.
The Kremlin continued efforts to coopt former Wagner Group personnel by introducing a new bill that would exempt much of the Wagner force from criminal responsibility for their participation in the Wagner armed rebellion on June 23 and 24, 2023.
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky replaced Joint Forces Commander Lieutenant General Yuriy Sodol with Brigadier General Andriy Hnatov on June 24.
Ukrainian forces recently regained lost positions near Vovchansk and Starysta, and Russian forces recently advanced near Siversk and Toretsk.
The Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) proposed depriving all Russian military districts of their status as joint headquarters.
Posted on 6/25/24 at 6:13 am to No Colors
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That's the problem with losers. Always someone to blame. Illegal aliens.
Tell that to the family of the 12 year old girl just raped, murdered and dumped in a creek in Houston last week by two illegal aliens caught and released by Border Patrol. Murders like this have become common. But I guess these victims families are just losers right?
You are absolutely disgusting in all aspects.
Posted on 6/25/24 at 6:17 am to NC_Tigah
quote:
He
was
freely
elected.
He freely fled to his sugar daddy after going against his promises and the legislature along with the public by declining to join the EU
Posted on 6/25/24 at 6:23 am to StormyMcMan
The loss of the deep space comms center in Crimea severely impacts Russia's version of GPS guidance as well as maintenance of its satellites in space. This is effectively the end of Russia's civilian space program any degree of accuracy of its ballistic missiles.
Only the US and EU have global satellite comms systems.
Only the US and EU have global satellite comms systems.
Posted on 6/25/24 at 6:29 am to WestCoastAg
quote:
Complete Independence from any level of Russian influence and total acceptance into the western world and alliances
POTATUS publicly backtracked on Ukraine NATO membership in the last week or two. The 2022 talks included EU membership though, and I don't see why that wouldn't be on the table again.
Posted on 6/25/24 at 6:32 am to CitizenK
quote:The fantasy-driven bloodlust here is out of control. Do you even hear what you are saying? Seriously. You're a bright poster deliberately skirting inconvenient facts. Why do that?
He freely fled
Posted on 6/25/24 at 6:34 am to No Colors
quote:. . . . or Pooooootin?
That's the problem with losers. Always someone to blame. Illegal aliens. Big banks. The government. The Jews. Greedy corporations. Secret Cabals.
Posted on 6/25/24 at 6:38 am to NC_Tigah
quote:
He
was
freely
elected.
Does it occur that, as Yanukovych kept Ukraine intact and at peace despite the pressures of NATO-Bucharest, he might have been less puppet and more pragmatist?
I'm not sure some posters realize how interconnected Russia and Ukraine are. Was Russia meddling in that election? Almost assuredly. Are there still a shite ton of people in most former soviet countries who are pro-Russia? Absolutely.
Posted on 6/25/24 at 6:38 am to texag7
quote:
Tell that to the family of the 12 year old girl just raped, murdered and dumped in a creek in Houston last week by two illegal aliens caught and released by Border Patrol. Murders like this have become common. But I guess these victims families are just losers right?
You are absolutely disgusting in all aspects.
Immigrants, including those here illegally, commit crimes at a lower rate than US citizens born in America.
What's disgusting is the way that isolated crimes by immigrants are being used to slander entire groups of people who are just looking for the American dream.
We need to control our borders to stop drugs and criminals from entering, and we need control of our immigration process to be more fair to those who have done things the right way and waited years for a chance to live here legally, so I definitely despise the Biden administration's border policies, but none of that changes the fact that 99% of those crossing are coming for the same reasons that most of our ancestors came, and they will make great Americans.
Posted on 6/25/24 at 6:40 am to No Colors
quote:
There's always some boogeyman who keeps them down
Y'all think every poster who doesn't want to send billions of dollars as well as their sons, nephews, and neighbors to Ukraine is a Putin puppet
Posted on 6/25/24 at 6:45 am to GOP_Tiger
quote:
Immigrants, including those here illegally, commit crimes at a lower rate than US citizens born in America.
I see that point used a lot. Are those numbers combined, or are illegal immigrants separately also less likely to commit crimes than US citizens?
Its kind of obvious that people who came here legally are less likely. You typically move for opportunities, criminals just want to take whatever is in front of them and easily accessible.
quote:
What's disgusting is the way that isolated crimes by immigrants are being used to slander entire groups of people who are just looking for the American dream
There is a particular focus on illegal immigrant crime because it 'feels' more preventable that crime committed by a citizen, and objectively it is. If our border was completely secured there would be US citizens alive today that aren't now. That's just a fact.
quote:
e need control of our immigration process to be more fair to those who have done things the right way and waited years for a chance to live here legally,
Agreed. Make it easier for those who do it the right way, almost impossible to do it the wrong way.
Posted on 6/25/24 at 7:24 am to VolSquatch
quote:
Almost assuredly. Are there still a shite ton of people in most former soviet countries who are pro-Russia? Absolutely.
That was the entire reason that Ukrainian people wanted to join the EU. It's not just that many were Russian speakers but that Russia was both a major source along with aiding and abetting corruption. If the corruption had of been minimal there would have been little want to join the EU.
Posted on 6/25/24 at 7:55 am to NC_Tigah
quote:
This war needs to end.
Hopefully we give Ukraine what they need to expel Russian tyranny, soon.
Posted on 6/25/24 at 7:59 am to GOP_Tiger
quote:FYI, I'd be very careful swallowing and regurgitating those stats. First off, the crime rate (crime#/immigrant) amongst illegal aliens is obviously at least 1:1; i.e., at least 100%. Right?
Immigrants, including those here illegally, commit crimes at a lower rate than US citizens born in America.
The current DOJ is underreporting criminal immigrant stats. E.g., We know that, in 1998, 63% of all federal arrests were of U.S. citizens; in 2018, 64% of all federal arrests were of immigrants. LINK
Posted on 6/25/24 at 8:07 am to CitizenK
quote:Corruption and injustice directed against Russian speakers in Ukraine was a foundational basis for rise of the POR ... and for its abolition.
It's not just that many were Russian speakers
Posted on 6/25/24 at 8:12 am to NC_Tigah
quote:
This war needs to end.
The war should never have begun and it should never have been ratcheted up to where it is now.
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