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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 6/13/24 at 7:11 pm to NC_Tigah
Posted on 6/13/24 at 7:11 pm to NC_Tigah
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t. My concern is Americans in the same situation
Are you pulling out your money from your bank?
quote]Translation: If you as an "independent" nation don't toe the United States' line, we will confiscate your financial resources[/quote]
The government already does that.
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Posted on 6/13/24 at 7:11 pm to NC_Tigah
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... signed Iraq?
... signed Afghanistan?
... signed Libya?
Any other country would've invaded Afghanistan under those circumstances.
(I didn't think that was the right way to go... personally)
The world, with the exception of France, was convinced we should invade Iraq
(I didn't think we should)
We did not "invade" Libya... NATO implemented a no-fly zone at the request of the UN Security Council as an intervention in the Libyan Civil War (part 1)
Posted on 6/13/24 at 7:32 pm to NC_Tigah
1980's Resolution Trust, if you've never ever been late on a payment but your balance sheet doesn't match our formula, we will foreclose on everything you own.
As far as nations go, it's been that way a long time. Nothing new
As far as nations go, it's been that way a long time. Nothing new
Posted on 6/13/24 at 7:35 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
... signed Iraq?
... signed Afghanistan?
... signed Libya?
You are missing Argentina in the 1980's as a result of their invasion of the Falklands
Posted on 6/13/24 at 8:20 pm to NC_Tigah
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Translation: If you as an "independent" nation don't toe the United States' line, we will confiscate your financial resources
But what about "If I don't think you're paying NATO enough (which... nobody pays NATO directly) Russia can do whatever they want with you!!!"
Posted on 6/13/24 at 8:55 pm to Lee B
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If tweet fails to load, click here. Wandering Joe- The leader of the free world.
Does the man even know where he is?
Meloni having to babysit him.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 9:08 pm to AU86
In fairness, he is interacting with one of the other paratroopers out of frame.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 9:17 pm to AU86
ISW Update
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Key Takeaways:
Ukraine signed bilateral ten-year security agreements with the US and Japan on June 13 as other partner states reaffirmed their long-term support for Ukraine within the Group of 7 (G7) and Ramstein formats.
The US finally sanctioned the Moscow Exchange, other significant Russian financial institutions, and Russian defense manufacturers 839 days into Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine.
The Russian government appears confident that these new sanctions will minimally impact the Russian financial system, and the delay in US and other Western countries sanctioning these entities has given the Russian financial system time to prepare and mitigate such sanctions.
US President Joe Biden reiterated his opposition to allowing Ukrainian forces to strike military targets in Russia’s operational or deep rear areas in Russian territory with US-provided weapons.
Sustained Ukrainian strikes against Russian military targets in occupied Crimea appear to be forcing the Russian military to commit additional air defense assets to Crimea in order to defend existing bases and logistics infrastructure, and further Ukrainian strikes against such air defense assets may render the peninsula untenable as a staging ground for the Russian military.
The People's Republic of China (PRC) is reportedly using diplomatic channels to convince other countries to not support the upcoming June 15-16 Global Peace Summit in Switzerland.
The US, United Kingdom (UK), and Canada released a joint statement on July 13 acknowledging and condemning Russian subversive activity and electoral interference efforts in Moldova, which is consistent with ISW's long-standing assessment of the Kremlin's ongoing hybrid campaign to destabilize Moldovan democracy.
Ukrainian forces recently advanced north of Kharkiv City and Russian forces marginally advanced near Siversk and Avdiivka.
Russian federal subjects (regions) continue to increase monetary incentives to recruit military personnel.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 9:52 pm to Obtuse1
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In fairness, he is interacting with one of the other paratroopers out of frame.
Define "interacting" in this context. Based on other video shorts, he looked catatonic or frozen at times...
Or is he easily distracted while the other leaders are focused ahead....
Posted on 6/13/24 at 10:11 pm to Obtuse1
quote:
In fairness, he is interacting with one of the other paratroopers out of frame.
Pretty constant to not have context in ALL campaigns to make someone look bad. I'm fairly certain that the price of gasoline at the pump wouldn't be much different today if Trump had of been re-elected because of global market forces.Tw
I had to laugh when Trump said he had no lobbyists working in his campaign. Two personal friends who were lobbyists worked in his campaign. He tried them out before he announced by having them do some lobbying for a development in Florida. Yes, I voted for Trump. BTW, it was those two lobbyists who told him to bring toys to donate to flood victims in 2016. It was a HUGE hit with the locals in the Denham area. Their children lost all of the toys in the flood.
Posted on 6/13/24 at 10:57 pm to TigersnJeeps
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Define "interacting" in this context. Based on other video shorts, he looked catatonic or frozen at times...
Or is he easily distracted while the other leaders are focused ahead....
I am not going to attempt to defend his mental acuity but he was looking at one of the other jumpers past the red hat* and gave him the thumbs up. He was either unaware or did not care that there were official pictures being taken. But he wasn't staring out into space interacting with the air as some posts have suggested.
*I don't know what the Italian Army calls their riggers, we called them red hats for I suppose an obvious reason.
Posted on 6/14/24 at 12:28 am to Obtuse1
Russians report large-scale drone attack: 87 drones supposedly downed over Russia and Crimea – photo
Iryna Balachuk — Friday, 14 June 2024, 07:38
The Russian Ministry of Defence has claimed that Russian air defence forces supposedly intercepted and destroyed 87 Ukrainian drones over the territory of Russia and temporarily occupied Crimea on the night of 13-14 June.
Source: Russian Defence Ministry; Vasily Golubev, the governor of Russia’s Rostov Oblast; Russian Telegram channels
Details: It is reported that 70 drones were supposedly destroyed over the territory of Russia’s Rostov Oblast, six over Voronezh Oblast, six over Kursk Oblast, two over Belgorod Oblast, 2 over Volgograd Oblast and another one over the territory of temporarily occupied Crimea.
Russian Telegram channels reported that residents of the town of Morozovsk, Rostov Oblast, reported explosions at night. In addition, a fire broke out in the city. The Astra Telegram channel pointed out that there was a military airfield in Morozovsk, which was attacked on 5 April.
Golubev said that several settlements in the Morozovsk district were cut off from the power grid as a result of the UAV attack.
LINK
Iryna Balachuk — Friday, 14 June 2024, 07:38
The Russian Ministry of Defence has claimed that Russian air defence forces supposedly intercepted and destroyed 87 Ukrainian drones over the territory of Russia and temporarily occupied Crimea on the night of 13-14 June.
Source: Russian Defence Ministry; Vasily Golubev, the governor of Russia’s Rostov Oblast; Russian Telegram channels
Details: It is reported that 70 drones were supposedly destroyed over the territory of Russia’s Rostov Oblast, six over Voronezh Oblast, six over Kursk Oblast, two over Belgorod Oblast, 2 over Volgograd Oblast and another one over the territory of temporarily occupied Crimea.
Russian Telegram channels reported that residents of the town of Morozovsk, Rostov Oblast, reported explosions at night. In addition, a fire broke out in the city. The Astra Telegram channel pointed out that there was a military airfield in Morozovsk, which was attacked on 5 April.
Golubev said that several settlements in the Morozovsk district were cut off from the power grid as a result of the UAV attack.
LINK
Posted on 6/14/24 at 12:56 am to cypher
Drones strike oil refinery in Voronezh Oblast, Russian official says
Drones struck an oil refinery in Russia's Voronezh Oblast overnight, regional Governor Aleksandr Gusev reported the morning of June 14.
In recent months, Ukrainian forces have launched a series of drone strikes aimed at damaging Russia's oil industry, the profits of which fuel Moscow's war efforts.
Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) in the region's Liskinsky district hit the oil refinery, damaging fuel tanks, Gusev said.
There were no casualties and the consequences of the strike are currently under investigation, according to Gusev.
LINK
Drones struck an oil refinery in Russia's Voronezh Oblast overnight, regional Governor Aleksandr Gusev reported the morning of June 14.
In recent months, Ukrainian forces have launched a series of drone strikes aimed at damaging Russia's oil industry, the profits of which fuel Moscow's war efforts.
Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) in the region's Liskinsky district hit the oil refinery, damaging fuel tanks, Gusev said.
There were no casualties and the consequences of the strike are currently under investigation, according to Gusev.
LINK
Posted on 6/14/24 at 1:07 am to StormyMcMan
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ISW Update
Posted on 6/14/24 at 3:58 am to Obtuse1
quote:Love the Irish but to many outside observers it is confusing to understand why these two universally-hated politicians were elected in the first place. However that's the whole idea - the two primary goals of Irish politics is to A) be contrary and B) piss off the British.
Mick Wallace loses election in Ireland for the MEP seat following Clare Daly a couple of days ago. They were considered Russia's best friends in the EU Parliament.
Anything the Brits are against, the Irish will support. And these two birds filled that hatred bill in full. But their lock step support of Putin in this war was finally too much. Maybe reading about the Brexit misery has supplanted the outrageous statements of Wallace and Daly...
Apologies for going off topic, but speaking of Euro politics after the EU elections last week, take a look at the hilarious lengths French politicians are going to in an attempt to try to save their plush jobs:
"These have undoubtedly been the wildest 72 hours in French politics in my lifetime. Pretty incredible stuff." LINK
Who knew the French made such great memes?
Posted on 6/14/24 at 4:29 am to Coeur du Tigre
A Ukrainian journalism project has produced an interesting study of individuals and organizations that oppose support for Ukraine in the US and 'contribute to political discordance within the decision-making establishment.'
They have established a 46-page interactive table of subjects with descriptions, attributable statements and political connections.
"There are 388 individuals and 76 organizations in our list. These include politicians, political movements and groups, media and journalists, experts, and think tanks (some individuals appear in multiple categories)."
Not an enemies list designed to target anyone, but an attempt to identify expressed beliefs common to known Russian disinformation. A great bookmark for reference purposes.
Roller Coaster.
They have established a 46-page interactive table of subjects with descriptions, attributable statements and political connections.
"There are 388 individuals and 76 organizations in our list. These include politicians, political movements and groups, media and journalists, experts, and think tanks (some individuals appear in multiple categories)."
Not an enemies list designed to target anyone, but an attempt to identify expressed beliefs common to known Russian disinformation. A great bookmark for reference purposes.
Roller Coaster.
Posted on 6/14/24 at 5:11 am to Coeur du Tigre
Girkin may have been silenced, but his friend Maxim Kalashnikov is carrying on his work with this post arguing that, even if Russia is successful in freezing current lines, the war is a massive strategic defeat for Russia. It's long but worth it.
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If tweet fails to load, click here.Posted on 6/14/24 at 5:24 am to GOP_Tiger
It's worth keeping in mind that, in addition to deliveries of newly promised materiel, Ukraine is still receiving lots of stuff that was promised a while back.
The Germans have come a long way from their promise of 5000 helmets at the beginning of the war. These days, they supply Ukraine with such a wide range of equipment and materiel that rivals US shipments.
LINK
The Germans have come a long way from their promise of 5000 helmets at the beginning of the war. These days, they supply Ukraine with such a wide range of equipment and materiel that rivals US shipments.
LINK
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German Military Aid to #Ukraine updated with
DELIVERED IN THE PAST ~ 3 WEEKS
— 1 IRIS-T SLM (*¹)
— 2 IRIS-T SLS launchers (*¹)
— 4 anti-drone sensors and jammers
— 3 HIMARS MLRS
— 10 Leopard 1A5 MBTs
— 20 Marder 1A3 IFVs
— 1 Bergepanzer 2 ARV
— 2 bridge-laying tanks Biber
— 16 Mercedes-Benz Zetros tankers (water / fuel)
— 2 Pionierpanzer 2A1 Dachs AEVs
— 4 WiSENT 1 MC mine clearing tanks
— rescue boats
— material for explosive ordnance disposal
— 100 night vision goggles
— 100 CR 308 rifles
— 85 HLR 338 precision rifles
— 100 MK 556 assault rifles
— 21,000 155mm shells
— 128 155mm smoke shells (*²)
— ammunition for Leopard 1A5 IFVs
— ammunition for Marder 1A3 IFVs
— 180,000 rounds of ammunition for HLR 338
— 4,000,000 rounds of firearm ammunition
— 3 AMPS self-protection systems for helicopters
— IT equipment
*¹ The deliveries have already been confirmed and announced by me at an earlier date.
*² Due to the low number, this may not be a new delivery, but an upward correction.
Posted on 6/14/24 at 5:48 am to GOP_Tiger
I have said several times recently that I expect Russia to begin running out of tanks, artillery, and IFVs in the next 6-9 months. Recently, I saw something that made me question whether that timeframe was too optimistic.
It was not. Some very careful, very extensive work has been done counting the emptying of Russian storage depots. Here's the evidence that Russia will be essentially out of IFVs by mid-December (earlier than that if they continue their current offensive).
It was not. Some very careful, very extensive work has been done counting the emptying of Russian storage depots. Here's the evidence that Russia will be essentially out of IFVs by mid-December (earlier than that if they continue their current offensive).
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If tweet fails to load, click here. Posted on 6/14/24 at 6:08 am to GOP_Tiger
A few different takes from Russias new peace proposal. But I'm sure some on here will still blame Ukraine/the West for failure to achieve peace.
LINK
From RWA
LINK
LINK
ETA: this is demand to just START negotiations, meaning they more demands than this
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NEW: As a condition to start negotiations, Ukraine has to withdraw all troops from the entire Kherson, Donetsk, Luhansk and Zaporizhzhia oblasts, Putin says - TASS
Putin's peace proposal also includes:
Ukraine promising not to join NATO and all western sanctions being removed. The new territorial reality also has to be internationally recognized
If Ukraine and the west refuses: New conditions will be demanded, Putin says
Lavrov says that Russia will use Putin’s new initiative on Ukraine in cooperation with China and push for it internationally - TASS
Russia is demanding that Ukrainian troops withdraw from territory that russian forces have never controlled
Ukraine would have to give up Kherson city and Zaporizhzhia city. The latter they never even came also too.
LINK
From RWA
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Putin stating Russian requirements for peace negotiations: Ukrainian forces have to leave all of Donetsk, Lugansk, Kherson, Zaporozhye regions; Kiev has to give guarantees that it will not attempt to join NATO
Putin says that “Today we are making another real peace proposal”. “It is not a question of freezing the conflict, but of bringing it to a definitive end”. “If the West and Kiev refuse, the bloodshed will be their responsibility.”
Putin says that Russia is ready to give guarantees of safe passage for Ukrainian forces leaving the Donbass if they agree to the conditions on peace negotiations that Russia is proposing.
It's basically just restating "official" Russian war goals since ca. late Spring 2022 when it was stated that Ukraine would lose Kherson and Zaporozhye, too, if they refuse the (incredibly generous) peace deal that was on the table.
LINK
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Putin spoke about the "end of the war" and voiced conditions for the start of negotiations with Ukraine
?? Ukrainian troops must be completely withdrawn from "L/DPR", Kherson and Zaporizhzhia within the administrative borders.
?? As soon as the real withdrawal of troops begins and Kyiv refuses to join NATO, Moscow will order a ceasefire and the start of negotiations, Putin said.
?? According to him, Russia needs Ukraine's neutral, non-aligned and nuclear-free status for a peaceful settlement.
?? "The status of Crimea, "L/DPR", Zaporizhzhia and Kherson regions as regions of the Russian Federation should be fixed in international treaties."
?? All Western sanctions against Russia should be lifted
"If Kyiv and the West refuse the new peace proposal, further conditions will be different," he added
LINK
ETA: this is demand to just START negotiations, meaning they more demands than this
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