re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

But to be clear, the security agreement is really just a PR thing and a political tool... Trump could easily break it... but it is there for him to have to officially break.

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Biden and Zelensky just signed this in Italy on worldwide TV...

This locks us in... so, if Trump breaks it, he will diminish global confidence in the US.

As someone just said "one thing you have to give Biden in this... he is 'Trump-proofing' US aid to Ukraine, instead of making it an election issue. He's tried to insure it happens even if he loses, instead of campaigning on 'if you want this you have to vote for me.' That is certainly not how Trump is handling anything is it?'"

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Anti-democratic.

We are months from an election. Let people vote on what we should do in regards to Ukraine.

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Anti-democratic.

We are months from an election. Let people vote on what we should do in regards to Ukraine.

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Where does this stop? 6 months from election, a year, two? It is one thing to argue about a lame duck after a lost election but trying to prevent governance (whether you like it or not) months before an election is anti-democratic along with other pejoratives.

If you want the security deal to stand, you vote for Biden, I guess.

WHo do you vote for if you don't want the aid to continue?

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Where does this stop? 6 months from election, a year, two? It is one thing to argue about a lame duck after a lost election but trying to prevent governance (whether you like it or not) months before an election is anti-democratic along with other pejoratives.

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I think when one party rams through a Supreme Court justice that will serve for decades months before an election, its anti democratic no matter which party does it.

If you make a 10 year, multi-billion dollar (if not Trillion dollar) decision less than 6 months until an election, that to me is anti-democratic.

We can use common sense here. No one is saying to not govern. I'm saying don't make long term decisions right before the people get to have a say. In fact, he did it when he did it SPECIFICALLY to at least attempt to lock us in regardless of the election results. There is a clear difference there.

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So what are the sides as it stands... who should you vote for to continue or discontinue support to Ukraine based on their stated policies?

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I think we will see once Trump gets put on the spot about his position in the debates, which will undoubtedly happen.

LINK Hungary agrees not to veto NATO support for Ukraine

As long as they don't have to participate

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this is not a binding treaty....only congress can ratify a treaty....

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optics.

Again, every day here someone brings up something someone with no power mentioned once in a meeting discussing something as a binding thing that was broken... this is levels beyond that, for optics

My guess is:

I think Trump will use a carrot and a big stick to deal with Putin and his gang.

The carrot might be something like an independent Crimea allowing Russia to keep its naval base as a lease if they withdraw from the rest of Ukraine. The big stick won't be Biden's trickle, trickle of arms for Ukraine, but a decisive move that can route Putin's army and air force.

Apparently, Crimea is too vulnerable and expensive to maintain having to ship things around to the Kerch bridge, which is why Putin has always wanted "a land bridge" directly down to it through the Donbas... I would think shipping things down the Sea of Azov would be cheap, so maybe that's just an excuse to invade?

He also keeps threatening the same for Kaliningrad through Lithuania...