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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 6/4/24 at 12:27 pm to
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 6/4/24 at 12:27 pm to
How many toilets did you steal from the poor in Ukraine because you had none in Russia?
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 6/4/24 at 12:38 pm to
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What's your experience with it? Because I have a feeling you are again talking about things of which you have no understanding.


He consistently exhibits that trait yet denies it.
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
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Posted on 6/4/24 at 12:43 pm to
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What's your experience with it?


I have a long time friend who is graduate from Penn's med school. This is basically what he has told me over the years, so just a personal anecdote obviously.

You're taking on a ton of debt but default rates for med students are lower than most other disciplines. Default rates tend to go down with a higher level of education attained. So a doctor is virtually guaranteed to pay back their debt as long as they don't go into some low paying or super competitive specialty field.

Nursing is one of the best vehicles for the moderately intelligent to create wealth. Some of them do actually bust their arse at work though.

Medical device sales can be essentially free money if you get the right clients. Take them to eat and play golf with them occasionally and just keep your phone on you.

I will acknowledge that since he did go to a prestigious school that his experience is probably not exact reality for your average doctor because he is around a "higher tier" of doctor.
Posted by VolSquatch
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Posted on 6/4/24 at 12:44 pm to
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He consistently exhibits that trait yet denies it.


Tell us about something your friend said again

You would kill it with unlimited Phone-A-Friends on Who Wants to Be A Millionaire
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 6/4/24 at 1:04 pm to
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I have a long time friend who is graduate from Penn's med school. This is basically what he has told me over the years, so just a personal anecdote obviously


Oh my god this is amazing for reasons you'll never understand.

Firstly, this doesn't address risk at all. Or thinks of risk only in a financial sense. Given the failure rates and board passage rates, the risk of failure is high because there are numerous washout phases. Not only that, in certain settings, the actual mental work is difficult. In any treatment approach and in any specialty, you have to weigh risk, especially given the litegous nature patients and their families. One reason physician pay remains high is that hospitals and hospital administrators remain risk-adverse to hilarious degrees.

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I will acknowledge that since he did go to a prestigious school that his experience is probably not exact reality for your average doctor because he is around a "higher tier" of doctor


Again, you are being so unintentially hilarious and you'll never understand why. Academic medicine is cutthroat in its own way, but generally it has a different type of 'rigor' than community medicine. The pay is generally lower in academic settings, but I've trained at at a very good institution, and I can tell you the difference between people at this level is minute. There is no 'tier' of doctors when you are practicing unless you are publishing a lot or are just prolific in general. Which is why you see a wide variety of educational backgrounds on medical school faculty. That's the express point of the standardization of medical education. Given how many third-party sources are used in preclinical and clinical education, what schools mostly provide is opportunities for letters of recommendation and different rotation opportunities. A massive amount of medical education is straight up outsourced.

The board exams, before they went pass/fail, used to be the great equalizer in terms of identifying talent, and hopefully we will go back to a graded system. But there is plenty of risk involved. And the skills you gain over time, because of the way graduate medical education is designed, ensures that you will have a salary floor, but won't ensure you can reach the top percentages of salary unless you also have an entrepreneurial mind and ability. It's exceedingly hard to be both a good physician and run a business, especially in primary care, from what I've seen and been told.
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
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Posted on 6/4/24 at 1:22 pm to
Interesting points, outside of the needless condescension.

I'm not locked into a viewpoint either way on this, its interesting to see someone else's experience though
This post was edited on 6/4/24 at 1:23 pm
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4693 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 1:32 pm to
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Reports of S-300 systems being placed between homes in residential neighborhoods in Sevastopol


I said something to this effect back when pictures of Ukraine placing air defense in Kyiv. Where can you place air defenses in a city that wouldn't impact civilians? It's kind of a catch 22, you need to protect the city but in order to do so you have to put the systems in residential areas.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 6/4/24 at 1:35 pm to
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There are numerous sources that talks were close, and then shortly after Ukraine spoke to the west and got their long term backing they collapsed.


Russia was also publicly stating they wouldn't accept the deal because Ukraine wanted security guarantees

April 7, 2022

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Ukraine's new draft, according to Lavrov, said the status of Crimea, which Moscow annexed from Ukraine in 2014, should be raised at a meeting between the two countries' presidents.

It also said Ukraine could hold military drills with foreign countries without receiving Russia's permission, something Moscow disagrees with.

"Such inability to agree once again highlights Kyiv's true intentions, its position of drawing out and even undermining the talks by moving away from the understandings reached," Lavrov said, adding that the proposals were "unacceptable".


April 12, 2022
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In the strongest signal to date that the war will grind on for longer, Putin said Kyiv had derailed peace talks by staging what he said were fake claims of Russian war crimes and by demanding security guarantees to cover the whole of Ukraine.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 6/4/24 at 2:15 pm to
Russia's full-scale invasion has destroyed at least 210,000 buildings in Ukraine, NYT analysis reveals

by Chris York and The Kyiv Independent news desk June 4, 2024 9:20 PM

At least 210,000 buildings in Ukraine have been destroyed since the start of Russia's full-scale invasion, an analysis published on June 4 by The New York Times (NYT) has found.

An examination of satellite data reveals the destruction includes 106 hospitals, 109 churches, temples, mosques and monasteries and 708 schools, colleges and universities.

"The scale is hard to comprehend," the NYT writes in its interactive report. "More buildings have been destroyed in Ukraine than if every building in Manhattan were to be leveled four times over."

The authors note the numbers are "conservative" and don't include Crimea and parts of western Ukraine.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 6/4/24 at 2:21 pm to
Ha, there are a number of great medical schools not just Penn.

An older friend graduated from one in Texas, and decided that he wanted to teach before graduating so taught at UT San Antonio throughout his career. This allowed he to also be involved with research. A brother in law was an ER doc most of his life because he liked the fast decision making and working a couple of 24 hr shifts per week with extra time off. A deceased friend was an internist at East Jeff Hospital most of his career then started a private practice around 2003. Katrina hit NOLA and all his patients were gone so he had to close his private practice and returned to East Jeff.

An interesting note is that brother in law had to battle his hospital requiring testing over and above an X ray for a simple fracture, for litigation protection. His argument was all these extra costs when his training and experience should be enough to diagnose the break and treatment.
Posted by Obtuse1
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Member since Sep 2016
30761 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 2:36 pm to
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BUT Russians on average are grossly poorer than Ukrainians... Kleptocracies are funny that way.


How else could Putin afford his camp on the Black Sea?

This post was edited on 6/4/24 at 2:48 pm
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
3978 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 2:44 pm to
and the extensive nuke shelter complex for him and his favorite Oligarchs that's underneath it...
Posted by ColtRange
Member since May 2023
1002 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 2:54 pm to
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Within 18 months Ukraine F16s will basically have unfettered access to the entire region.


Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 6/4/24 at 3:24 pm to
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So is it MD or PE?


how are either of those low risk?

you literally put your job status on the line every single day and a single mistake could cost you your license and both of those occupations require extremely difficult degrees and are extremely difficult test to pass and require years of training to earn the title.
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
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Posted on 6/4/24 at 3:35 pm to
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you literally put your job status on the line every single day and a single mistake could cost you your license


Do you think even 10% of doctors and engineers do anything on a daily basis that legitimately risks their license?

How many lose their licensure for unjust reasons? I don't know any doctors who have lost theirs, and i know one engineer who did that deserved it.
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
27031 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 3:41 pm to
It is reported that Ukraine is starting to use a number of ground combat drones. War and technology is evolving at a break neck pace.

This is a Ukraine channel showing several examples.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOcBvcy8_Ro
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42810 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 3:50 pm to
Bug Russia want NATO on their border so they can do what they want?

It’s hard to believe that people here want Ukraine to surrender to those barbarians.
Posted by Hateradedrink
Member since May 2023
4156 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 6:12 pm to
Humanity is rapidly moving towards a future wherein war can only be won by annihilating the enemy.

This is not a good thing.
Posted by Hateradedrink
Member since May 2023
4156 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 6:14 pm to
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Do you think even 10% of doctors and engineers do anything on a daily basis that legitimately risks their license?


I find this interesting you think this is a counter argument, rather than acknowledging 98% of doctors and engineers probably know what they’re doing and, thus, are not losing their license.
This post was edited on 6/4/24 at 6:14 pm
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
61754 posts
Posted on 6/4/24 at 6:59 pm to
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wherein war can only be won by annihilating the enemy.


Pretty sure that’s been the way a war has been won for a long arse time.
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