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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 3/31/24 at 12:36 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 3/31/24 at 12:36 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 3/31/24 at 12:59 pm to The Pirate King
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Peace should have been the option from the beginning
and prey tell did Russia do for that end? It takes two to tango and Russia went against at least 2 early peace proposals including one that had Ukraine agreeing to not join NATO. 
Posted on 3/31/24 at 1:01 pm to The Pirate King
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Ukraine is checkmated
They're super serious this time, right?
Posted on 3/31/24 at 1:03 pm to StormyMcMan
Do you ever get tired of posting neocon propaganda nonstop?
How about being wrong all the time. Does that ever get old?
How about being wrong all the time. Does that ever get old?
Posted on 3/31/24 at 1:13 pm to SirWinston
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Do you ever get tired of posting neocon propaganda nonstop?
Theyre pushing the same propaganda that told them two years ago that Russia was a mess and would fold quickly.
After two years of not paying attention he's not changing now.
Posted on 3/31/24 at 1:40 pm to SirWinston
Will you ever actually learn what a "neocon" is?
No, of course not.
No, of course not.
Posted on 3/31/24 at 1:41 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Theyre pushing the same propaganda that told them two years ago that Russia was a mess and would fold quickly.
1. They are a mess relative to a modern and well trained military, always have been. Also as they always have been, they’re more than willing to sacrifice more men and equipment than anyone else, which is why we’re still where we are with the war.
2. They folded quite quickly from Kiev and then again from Kherson, but I don’t recall anyone really saying they’d fold altogether very quickly because of #1.
Posted on 3/31/24 at 2:07 pm to trinidadtiger
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Sounds like Musk is right, Odessa getting pounded. Course what would he know since both sides are using his equipment to communicate....
But Russia has none per him.
Also, sounds like Col. MacGregor who said that the Russians were going to roll to take Odessa from Kherson, yet their supply line the bridge had been disabled with Himars.
Musk wants his contract with Rusal back along with the cost of other raw materials to go down when Russia is no longer sanctioned.
Posted on 3/31/24 at 2:07 pm to The Pirate King
quote:why does the poliboard continue to wish cast for direct US involvement
So you're advocating for a hot war with Russia in Ukraine
Posted on 3/31/24 at 2:21 pm to GOP_Tiger
Dude the ISW propaganda that DecomposingMcCain posts every day is the epitome of Neocon.
This post was edited on 3/31/24 at 2:22 pm
Posted on 3/31/24 at 2:31 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Theyre pushing the same propaganda that told them two years ago that Russia was a mess and would fold quickly.
two years ago everyone was shocked that Ukraine didn't topple over in a matter of weeks. Who the hell was saying Russia was gonna collapse quickly?Posted on 3/31/24 at 2:35 pm to StormyMcMan
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two years ago everyone was shocked that Ukraine didn't topple over in a matter of weeks. Who the hell was saying Russia was gonna collapse quickly?
Bingo, I thought the war would be over in months.
Now, over two years later the propagandists act as if this has benefited Russia and hurt the West. This is BS.
Posted on 3/31/24 at 2:35 pm to The Pirate King
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Where are these " a lot more men" coming from exactly?
I guess they will come from Ukraine's population, where else would they come from?
Posted on 3/31/24 at 3:01 pm to SirWinston
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Dude the ISW propaganda that DecomposingMcCain posts every day is the epitome of Neocon
I've said it before I'll say it again, if you can find another daily update that you think is more accurate then by all means please post it. Instead all you've done is bash is shite post in this thread about how you hate interracial relationships and like being cuckold.
Posted on 3/31/24 at 3:33 pm to doubleb
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Now, over two years later the propagandists act as if this has benefited Russia and hurt the West. This is BS.
Russia is much stronger now than they were in 2022. Both economically and militarily. Sanctions have perversely benefitted them, look at the growth of their economy, and they’ve made a generational wave of investment in their arms industry. They also have the most experienced army in the world now. No major power has fought a conventional fight like this in decades.
Europe by comparison is poorer and weaker, primarily because of the sanctions.
Economically, the war has benefited us in some ways, but politically we’re weaker. We’ve lost a major conflict, and that will damage everyone’s perception of our power.
This post was edited on 3/31/24 at 3:39 pm
Posted on 3/31/24 at 3:40 pm to Lima Whiskey
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Europe by comparison is poorer and weaker, primarily because of the sanctions.
You always couch your arguments in these terms. Like: "Russia is stronger and Europe is weaker" because of this war.
Back that up with data. Tell us exactly how you quantify that.
But let me give you an example:
In 2013 Russian GDP was about $1.5 trillion. In 2023 it was....about $1.5 trillion.
In 2013 EU GDP was about $15 trillion. In 2023 it was about $19 trillion.
Russia's economy is ravaged by inflation and is being artificially propped up by militarization of industry.
When this war is over the US and the EU will go right on growing their manufacturing, technology, tourism, biomedical, etc industries.
What's Russia gonna do? Export more T-90 tanks?
This post was edited on 3/31/24 at 3:50 pm
Posted on 3/31/24 at 3:49 pm to No Colors
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always couch your arguments in these terms. Like: "Russia is stronger and Europe is weaker" because of this war.
Back that up with data. Tell us exactly how you quantify that.
Thank you. Last time I checked having 8% inflation with a contracting gdp (although I think 2023 went up vs 2022) and having to institute currency controls to stop additional devaluation of your currency aren't typical indicators of a thriving economy
ETA
Although he may have a point militarily speaking
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The Russian government has announced its proposed budget for 2024. For the first time in modern history, the country is set to spend 6 percent of gross domestic product (GDP) on the military, and defense spending will exceed social spending. The war against Ukraine and the West is not only the Kremlin’s biggest priority; it is now also the main driver of Russia’s economic growth.
LINK
Plus real on the ground military experience is better than textbook any day.
2 downsides though. This war will further the demographic decline Russia was already experiencing plus when this war wraps up, however it wraps up. Getting back to a peacetime economy is going to negatively impact the economy
This post was edited on 3/31/24 at 3:54 pm
Posted on 3/31/24 at 3:50 pm to No Colors
Transcript: House Intelligence Committee chairman Rep. Mike Turner on "Face the Nation," March 31, 2024
"With respect to Ukraine, I mean, this is one really where I think, you know, the world has seen that this is a war of aggression by Russia, that this is authoritarianism versus democracy. That just the- the brutality that is occurring, the murderous nature of what Russia is doing, has to be responded to, we have to continue our support. The speaker has made it clear that he supports Ukraine both directly to Zelensky. Publicly, he's made these statements and to the Secretary General of NATO. The speaker has made very clear statements that when we get back, it's the next top agenda. After having just passed all the bills that fund the federal government, I believe this is going to have overwhelming support in Congress, and we'll put a bill on the President's desk."
But even beyond just the issue of this supplemental and getting weapons systems replenished, we need to give them longer range weapon systems. The White House has been hesitant to do so. Congress has called for that. President Zelensky has called for that. What this would do is it would allow them to back off the Russians currently the Russians have weapon systems that are attacking from distance into the Ukrainian side. Right on the front line. This would give the Ukrainians ability to push Putin back and hold that frontline.
REP. MIKE TURNER: There are a majority of members of the House, a majority members of the Senate, including over the 60 votes that are needed and a willing President to sign a package that would deliver this necessary aid to Ukraine. And I'm certainly hopeful we find a vehicle as quickly as possible to get that done. Speaker Johnson has certainly committed himself to that.
"With respect to Ukraine, I mean, this is one really where I think, you know, the world has seen that this is a war of aggression by Russia, that this is authoritarianism versus democracy. That just the- the brutality that is occurring, the murderous nature of what Russia is doing, has to be responded to, we have to continue our support. The speaker has made it clear that he supports Ukraine both directly to Zelensky. Publicly, he's made these statements and to the Secretary General of NATO. The speaker has made very clear statements that when we get back, it's the next top agenda. After having just passed all the bills that fund the federal government, I believe this is going to have overwhelming support in Congress, and we'll put a bill on the President's desk."
But even beyond just the issue of this supplemental and getting weapons systems replenished, we need to give them longer range weapon systems. The White House has been hesitant to do so. Congress has called for that. President Zelensky has called for that. What this would do is it would allow them to back off the Russians currently the Russians have weapon systems that are attacking from distance into the Ukrainian side. Right on the front line. This would give the Ukrainians ability to push Putin back and hold that frontline.
REP. MIKE TURNER: There are a majority of members of the House, a majority members of the Senate, including over the 60 votes that are needed and a willing President to sign a package that would deliver this necessary aid to Ukraine. And I'm certainly hopeful we find a vehicle as quickly as possible to get that done. Speaker Johnson has certainly committed himself to that.
This post was edited on 3/31/24 at 3:52 pm
Posted on 3/31/24 at 3:52 pm to No Colors
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Back that up with data. Tell us exactly how you quantify that.
Naval tonnage is certainly down
Posted on 3/31/24 at 3:54 pm to cypher
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There are a majority of members of the House, a majority members of the Senate, including over the 60 votes that are needed and a willing President to sign a package that would deliver this necessary aid to Ukraine
The poliboard is gonna take this really hard
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