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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 3/31/24 at 4:03 pm to
Posted by doubleb
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Member since Aug 2006
42764 posts
Posted on 3/31/24 at 4:03 pm to
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Russia is much stronger now than they were in 2022.


Links????
What about their navy?
What about their image?
What about their oil industry?
What about the thousands of deaths?

Sorry I don’t buy it. This war should have been a walkover. Two years later they are creeping westward; while Ukraine blows up a refinery or a Russian ship.

Russian had almost a full decade to complete the conquest of Ukraine and unleashed an aggressive attack that failed miserably. That can not be denied.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
16147 posts
Posted on 3/31/24 at 5:24 pm to
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Economically, the war has benefited us in some ways, but politically we’re weaker. We’ve lost a major conflict, and that will damage everyone’s perception of our power.


You've finally admitted to what we've known all along.

No Russia's economy is totally fricked.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4691 posts
Posted on 3/31/24 at 8:11 pm to
ISW Update

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Key Takeaways:

The Kremlin-controlled Russian Orthodox Church Moscow Patriarchate (ROC MP) reportedly directed all its clergy to change their liturgy to include pro-war prayers in support of Russia’s war of conquest against Ukraine and is likely threatening to defrock ROC MP clergy who do not support the war.

The ROC MP leadership has intensified internal scrutiny against ROC MP clergy and has reportedly defrocked several clergy members who refused to promote Kremlin-introduced prayers supporting Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine.

Russia conducted another series of missile and drone strikes largely targeting Ukrainian energy infrastructure on the night of March 30 to 31 as delays in US security assistance continue to degrade Ukraine’s air defense umbrella and enable Russia to significantly damage Ukraine’s energy grid.

Ukrainian forces appear to have repelled a Russian battalion-sized mechanized assault near Avdiivka, Donetsk Oblast, on March 30 — the first battalion-sized mechanized assault since Russian forces began the campaign to seize Avdiivka in late October 2023.

French Defense Minister Sebastien Lecornu announced on March 31 that France will provide an unspecified number of Aster 30 surface-to-air missiles and “hundreds” of armored vehicles and other equipment to Ukraine.

Russian President Vladimir Putin signed on March 31 the scheduled decree authorizing Russia’s semi-annual spring military conscription, which will conscript 150,000 Russians between April 1 and July 15.

The Russian military command reportedly appointed Chief of Staff of the Russian Ground Forces Colonel General Alexander Lapin as commander of the newly formed Leningrad Military District (LMD).

The Kremlin continues efforts to enforce Russian federal laws in post-Soviet countries where Russia has no legal jurisdiction.

Russian authorities conducted a counterterrorism operation and detained suspected terrorists in the Republic of Dagestan on March 31.

Russian forces recently made confirmed advances near Avdiivka and southwest of Donetsk City on March 31.

The Russian government continues to fail to properly compensate volunteer and irregular forces fighting in Ukraine, despite recently passing new legislation that simplifies the access to veteran statuses for these servicemen and their families.


Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
74016 posts
Posted on 3/31/24 at 8:22 pm to
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Peace should have been the option from the beginning


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and prey tell did Russia do for that end? It takes two to tango and Russia went against at least 2 early peace proposals including one that had Ukraine agreeing to not join NATO.


I see fewer and fewer options open to Ukraine and its Western supporters as more time drags on in this war. The longer it continues, the higher the odds of actual battlefield involvement from NATO being a requirement to stave off Ukrainian defeat becomes. And that is an option no sane person on the planet wants to see become reality.
This post was edited on 3/31/24 at 8:23 pm
Posted by No Colors
Sandbar
Member since Sep 2010
13527 posts
Posted on 3/31/24 at 9:14 pm to
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see fewer and fewer options open to Ukraine and its Western supporters as more time drags on


I just don't see a middle ground here. No rational person thinks Ukraine can just give up 20% of its territory and everyone will just put down their weapons and go on with their lives. That just absolutely won't happen. Both sides will still have over 1 million men in arms facing each other across a 1000 mile front. Forever.

No one thinks that's a plausible long term solution. There are really only three ways out of this

Putin crushes Ukraine and takes a pause to digest it. And the world turns the other cheek while more pressing events (Taiwan) start getting the attention. All the while Russia starts planning its next move.


Or Russia runs out of steam and the situation in Moscow becomes unstable. Putin is replaced by someone who declares victory and brings his army home.

Or this thing escalates and gets out of hand.

If there's a fourth legitimate scenario I've never heard it discussed
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
74016 posts
Posted on 3/31/24 at 9:23 pm to
That’s exactly what I was talking about. The more I look at this war, the less I see a favor outcome, at least from the Western point of view, for Ukraine short of direct NATO intervention.

Frankly, short of outright intervention, the only possible solution I see is to drive the Russian economy off a cliff. It would be easy to do. All that would be required is to drive the price of oil down. But that would require the West, specifically the US, to seriously ramp up oil production and make it clear the world we are in the oil business for the long term. Instead we’re doing the opposite. Our government claims they want to help Ukraine in this war, but they’re helping to prop of the Russians. Its insane.
Posted by ColtRange
Member since May 2023
1002 posts
Posted on 3/31/24 at 9:33 pm to
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The poliboard is gonna take this really hard


Nah, I knew when Miss Lindsey said "to the last Ukrainian", she meant it.

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No rational person thinks Ukraine can just give up 20% of its territory


That's a dream scenario for Ukraine at this point.
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
Sparta, Greece
Member since Mar 2008
69351 posts
Posted on 3/31/24 at 9:35 pm to
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If there's a fourth legitimate scenario I've never heard it discussed


Assassination with no claim by any state
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
8428 posts
Posted on 3/31/24 at 9:40 pm to
Just check the ISW updates or just get your info straight from the Ukucks Colt, they don’t even need those guys. Ukraine has lost like 2 soldiers during the entire war and Russia has lost probably a million, and Putin is gay, retarded, and has brain and arse cancer and will probably croak any day now.
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
8428 posts
Posted on 3/31/24 at 9:47 pm to
I would love to hear a legitimate argument as to why anyone thinks the next leader of Russia will definitely be any better for the world than Putin. There’s like a 25% chance of that, maybe?

I’m definitely coming at this from a “devil you know” sense. The best case scenario for the west at this point is some spineless stooge succeeded Putin and Russia essentially becoming a Chinese vassal state.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42764 posts
Posted on 3/31/24 at 9:50 pm to
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I see fewer and fewer options open to Ukraine and its Western supporters as more time drags on in this war


I can’t believe you haven’t figured it out by now. Ukraine had just two options. Surrender and become a Russian vassal stste, or fight back.

Putin would never settle for less than Ukraine’s government capitulating and letting Russian surrogates replace it.
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
Sparta, Greece
Member since Mar 2008
69351 posts
Posted on 3/31/24 at 10:02 pm to
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I would love to hear a legitimate argument as to why anyone thinks the next leader of Russia will definitely be any better for the world than Putin.


I would like to know why you just assumed Putin?
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 4/1/24 at 12:54 am to
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What about the thousands of deaths?


Russia has probably lost 60k to 80k dead. Ukraine, at minimum around 300k, and figures of 500k are possible.

Medazona found 49k Russian obituaries, and the Pentagon believes 60k men have died, per The NY Times.

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Sorry I don’t buy it. This war should have been a walkover. Two years later they are creeping westward; while Ukraine blows up a refinery or a Russian ship.


Ukraine had the second largest army in Europe, and one that had a fair bit combat experience. They also grossly outnumbered the Russian force at the outset of the war. At one point the Russians force was just 125k.

When the initial plan failed, the Russians set in for a longer war of attrition. That’s worked for them because while they were outnumbered initially, they had anywhere from a 5:1 to 9:1 advantage in artillery, and a similarly overwhelming advantage in airpower. And additionally, because they are a much larger country with more resources. They have an easier time recruiting men, they can afford to take time doing so in a way Ukraine cannot , and they have a very large industrial complex to supply their armed forces. They don’t have the supply issues Ukraine has.
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
3960 posts
Posted on 4/1/24 at 1:19 am to
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... that would require the West, specifically the US, to seriously ramp up oil production and make it clear the world we are in the oil business for the long term. Instead we’re doing the opposite.


??????????

Seriously ramp it up to ludicrous speed?

MARCH 11, 2024

United States produces more crude oil than any country, ever

Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
3960 posts
Posted on 4/1/24 at 1:22 am to
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I would love to hear a legitimate argument as to why anyone thinks the next leader of Russia will definitely be any better for the world than Putin. There’s like a 25% chance of that, maybe?

I’m definitely coming at this from a “devil you know” sense. The best case scenario for the west at this point is some spineless stooge succeeded Putin and Russia essentially becoming a Chinese vassal state.


Oh, the next Russian leader will probably somehow be worse than Putin... which is why he should inherit a country so powerless he can't harm anyone outside of its borders.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
105503 posts
Posted on 4/1/24 at 1:34 am to
The hope is whoever succeeds Putin will be too busy dodging enemies at home to go looking for trouble abroad.
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
4635 posts
Posted on 4/1/24 at 2:44 am to
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The speaker has made it clear that he supports Ukraine both directly to Zelensky.[sic]
Johnson is lying and Turner is lying.

The Republican-controlled House hasn't passed a bill supporting Ukraine in six months and have had the $60 billion Senate appropriation bill to support Ukraine since February and have actively blocked it.

Look at what they do, not what they say. While Ukrainian citizens are being murdered every night by Russian missiles, the Republicans choose to block any aid to help them defend themselves.

Johnson and Turner and their manager Trump are all lying cowards and have brought deep shame onto America.
Posted by SirWinston
Say NO to War
Member since Jul 2014
104464 posts
Posted on 4/1/24 at 6:01 am to
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Johnson and Turner and their manager Trump are all lying cowards and have brought deep shame onto America.


Zelenskyy and Biden / Obama / Nuland were in cahoots from the beginning and the little fraud left Trump twisting in the wind during that hatchet job impeachment. Zero chance Trump would or should lift a finger to help that little POS.
This post was edited on 4/1/24 at 6:05 am
Posted by No Colors
Sandbar
Member since Sep 2010
13527 posts
Posted on 4/1/24 at 6:16 am to
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Zero chance Trump would or should lift a finger to help that little POS.


Why did Trump suggest publicy that Johnson should structure Ukraine aid as a loan, thus giving Johnson the political cover he needs to get Ukraine funded with MAGA consent?
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5741 posts
Posted on 4/1/24 at 6:30 am to
British Defence Intelligence
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 01 April 2024

Sanctions likely continue to disrupt key inputs for Russia's defence industry. Russia's isolation limits the number of countries it can directly trade with, highly likely increasing the time and cost to acquire items it could once purchase freely. Research from the Bank of Finland Institute for Emerging Economies suggests third party countries are charging price premiums of over 60 per cent for exports of certain sanctioned goods to Russia.

While Russia has increased production of key munitions most heavily used in Ukraine, such as artillery shells, the impact of sanctions is highly likely greatest on Russia's more advanced and complex weapon systems. These systems in production and development almost certainly have an increased reliance on foreign components and technology.

Sanctions likely continue to disrupt both supply and demand for Russian arms exports, as well as significantly complicating payment mechanisms to Russia. This has almost certainly contributed to a significant decline in Russia's arms exports and increased delivery delays, including to some of its most important remaining arms customers. According to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute, Russia's share of the global arms trade has fallen to 11 per cent in the period 2019 to 2023, compared to 21 per cent in the period 2014 to 2018.
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